Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys
[Re: bobs66440]
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11/10/12 12:42 PM
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Affordability. That's the biggest issue. We can make the same HP numbers as the Chevy guys. It just costs twice as much. And the parts are insane.
we pay the mopar tax, it is silly what stuff costs compared to the other kids in the sandbox.
Joey
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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys
[Re: jake4cars]
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11/10/12 01:13 PM
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I was talking to a guy from Trick Flow last month about there products or should I say lack of products for Mopars. He called over 4 more guys and we talked for about 30 minutes about the mopar head market and what is needed. I told him the big block area is pretty well cover but we needed a small-block head like the Indy 360-1. The one guy was real happy to hear this as he has been pushing toward that area. I then told him that many MOPAR guys will not even deal with Indy directly because of there attitude directed toward the customer and that there head is prone to leaking. I can only hope this Ohio based company takes something from this and does some further research.
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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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11/10/12 01:28 PM
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My boy is almost 9. I'm starting to look for a project car already. Something cheap, solid, carb powered. Would lOve a Mopar for him, but that would mean a car that is nearly 50 years old by the time he's driving. I keep looking at early 80s Malibu coupes. No value, great platform, huge aftermarket, comfy, it's a real usable car. Same can be said about the fox body, tho that is less dd friendly when you get 3ft of snow. What Mopar is missing the most is they didn't build anything for over 20 years that was worth a damn.
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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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11/10/12 01:36 PM
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1 Affordable single carb intake for genIII hemi 2 Affordable entry level rocker gear for genII hemi 3 Affordable entry level ign controller for genIII hemi 4 If trick flow is involved how bout a twisted wedge head for a 5.2 5.9 magnum with about a 57 CC chamber? Price it close to the chevy head.
I don't really buy into the whole mopar vs chevy volume thing, one affordable mopar head should sell better than any one version of a cheap SB chevy head considering how there are TONS of choices for them. Just glancing through jegs and summit I bet there are 50 different heads for a SB chevy priced cheaper than a mopar SB Eddelbrock.
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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys
[Re: thedriver]
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11/10/12 01:40 PM
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Josh, since I know where you are coming from with this....SB's need more HEAD OPTIONS! Preferably, something in between to bridge the gap of an aluminum eddy and the Indy-1's or -2's....or maybe making those heads more affordable in the first place considering they need porting to work to their potential! And im sorry, im going to have to disagree about the other brands being the same price to build- maybe with the real HIGH HIGH dollar stuff, but for the average guy, thats b.s. I can't speak for BB stuff, but I really think small block mopars need more cylinder head options- you look at chevy and ford offerrings, and compare it to the mopars, and it looks like mopars would go extinct just from the difference in numbers of whats out there to use!! Thats just my OH yea, more affordable aftermarket blocks would be nice too! lol
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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys
[Re: joshking440]
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11/10/12 01:50 PM
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Josh looks like you are fishing for ideas.
What has kept me from being interested in gen 3 hemis is the lack of cyl head/rocker gear to run real springs and solid rollers.
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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys
[Re: greendart408]
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11/10/12 02:33 PM
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Seems this is breaking as I would expect. lots of guys complaining about price of moderate HP stuff, ie the Mopar "tax" which is real but is also a result of demand.
Next guys building the more high end stuff are simply left out in the cold becuase of the lack of options. There are some heads out there that can get you into the 1300hp area but they all seem to have their issues. If you want more power you are forced to the purpose built stuff out there in the 5-5.3 bore space stuff.
I also think the roundy round stuff is a market that could use some more time and energy. I am intrigued by the P7 stuff but not much out there in the drag oriented arena like the 2.2 stuff. Lack of cast intakes and more drag race oriented stuff in my opinion is a missing market.
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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys
[Re: jamesc]
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11/10/12 04:11 PM
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strength in numbers, it's a simple matter of supply and demand
i would think if there is one single thing lacking it's bore space, but then comes the required heads
it does cost more to run a chrysler no matter how you cut it, dollar per HP it's more expensive (think about used parts as well). not to mention for every single choice in a chrysler part there's a dozen in a chevy part.
Pull out the Jeg's or Summit catalogs... There are 20 pages for each Chevy part, 5 pages for a Ford part and 1 page for a Mopar part..
Simply numbers based...
Just my $0.02...
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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys
[Re: BB70DUSTER]
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11/10/12 04:41 PM
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HATE: A conversion kit to bolt in LS motors... LOL
I agree...and am working on it...
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