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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: bobs66440] #1333042
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Affordability. That's the biggest issue. We can make the same HP numbers as the Chevy guys. It just costs twice as much. And the parts are insane.




we pay the mopar tax, it is silly what stuff costs compared to the other kids in the sandbox.

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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: Hot 340] #1333043
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My opinion is you need a whole new consumer base.




I do agree completely with this statement.

Unfortunately this is NOT going to happen now or in the future. Chrysler does not have any 10 or 20 year old Mustangs or Camaro's to get younger hot rodders interested in Mopars. All we have are old ricer/front wheel drive Japanese wantabe cars that none of the ricer crowd cares about.
Even worse, we do not have anything Performance wise now, that is affordable to the younger generation, and likely will not have. The 98 - 04 Dakota RT's were a good option, but still not as fast as any year Mustang or the pre 94 model Camaro's. The New Challaneger is way over-priced compared to a New Camaro or Mustang. I think Chrysler's target market was the older generation of Mopar fans that did not care if it was over-priced.
So to get back to the original question, What we as MOPAR fans are missing is enough Mopar fans to make it profittable and affordable for a manufacturer to come out with a new part that is affordable.


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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: jake4cars] #1333044
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Volume. There are dozens of Chevys for every Mopar.
One example: look at all the late model Mustangs & Camaros ('80s-up) vs zero from Chrysler.
Volume drives development & pricing. If a guy makes something for an SBC he can sell 10 of them for every one equivalent part for a Mopar.

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: jake4cars] #1333045
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I was talking to a guy from Trick Flow last month about there products or should I say lack of products for Mopars. He called over 4 more guys and we talked for about 30 minutes about the mopar head market and what is needed. I told him the big block area is pretty well cover but we needed a small-block head like the Indy 360-1. The one guy was real happy to hear this as he has been pushing toward that area. I then told him that many MOPAR guys will not even deal with Indy directly because of there attitude directed toward the customer and that there head is prone to leaking. I can only hope this Ohio based company takes something from this and does some further research.


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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: pittsburghracer] #1333046
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My boy is almost 9. I'm starting to look for a project car already. Something cheap, solid, carb powered.
Would lOve a Mopar for him, but that would mean a car that is nearly 50 years old by the time he's driving.
I keep looking at early 80s Malibu coupes. No value, great platform, huge aftermarket, comfy, it's a real usable car.
Same can be said about the fox body, tho that is less dd friendly when you get 3ft of snow.

What Mopar is missing the most is they didn't build anything for over 20 years that was worth a damn.


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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: pittsburghracer] #1333047
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1 Affordable single carb intake for genIII hemi
2 Affordable entry level rocker gear for genII hemi
3 Affordable entry level ign controller for genIII hemi
4 If trick flow is involved how bout a twisted wedge head for a 5.2 5.9 magnum with about a 57 CC chamber? Price it close to the chevy head.

I don't really buy into the whole mopar vs chevy volume thing, one affordable mopar head should sell better than any one version of a cheap SB chevy head considering how there are TONS of choices for them. Just glancing through jegs and summit I bet there are 50 different heads for a SB chevy priced cheaper than a mopar SB Eddelbrock.


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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: thedriver] #1333048
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Josh, since I know where you are coming from with this....SB's need more HEAD OPTIONS! Preferably, something in between to bridge the gap of an aluminum eddy and the Indy-1's or -2's....or maybe making those heads more affordable in the first place considering they need porting to work to their potential!

And im sorry, im going to have to disagree about the other brands being the same price to build- maybe with the real HIGH HIGH dollar stuff, but for the average guy, thats b.s.

I can't speak for BB stuff, but I really think small block mopars need more cylinder head options- you look at chevy and ford offerrings, and compare it to the mopars, and it looks like mopars would go extinct just from the difference in numbers of whats out there to use!!

Thats just my



OH yea, more affordable aftermarket blocks would be nice too! lol

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: joshking440] #1333049
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Josh looks like you are fishing for ideas.

What has kept me from being interested in gen 3 hemis is the lack of cyl head/rocker gear to run real springs and solid rollers.



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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: Just-a-dart] #1333050
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As said, affordable w5 to 360-1 head that don't leak. And also an affordable round tube moly front suspension kit.

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: greendart408] #1333051
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Seems this is breaking as I would expect. lots of guys complaining about price of moderate HP stuff, ie the Mopar "tax" which is real but is also a result of demand.

Next guys building the more high end stuff are simply left out in the cold becuase of the lack of options. There are some heads out there that can get you into the 1300hp area but they all seem to have their issues. If you want more power you are forced to the purpose built stuff out there in the 5-5.3 bore space stuff.

I also think the roundy round stuff is a market that could use some more time and energy. I am intrigued by the P7 stuff but not much out there in the drag oriented arena like the 2.2 stuff. Lack of cast intakes and more drag race oriented stuff in my opinion is a missing market.


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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: Al_Alguire] #1333052
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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: Just-a-dart] #1333053
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Josh looks like you are fishing for ideas.

What has kept me from being interested in gen 3 hemis is the lack of cyl head/rocker gear to run real springs and solid rollers.




There is plenty of guys running stock rockers and hydraulic rollers 7000+ RPM, how much more does a guy need? The lifters are light, pushrods are short and light, valves are light, retainers are light, geometry is pretty good so a lot of spring preasure is not needed like a BB or even a SB.


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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: HotRodDave] #1333054
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purple ice cream.................


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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: bigtimeauto] #1333055
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Most Mopar guys have pride and try to use USA parts and Chevy guys dont care where the parts are made.

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: bigtimeauto] #1333056
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purple ice cream.................




This is exactly what I'm talking about!
You say purple ice cream, and the ford and chevy guys jump in line and pull out thier wallets.

A mopar guy is like, "Why is it purple? Is it grape, or just purple? Does it taste better than vanilla? Does it cost more than vanilla? Is it more calories than vanilla? I just think I'll stick with vanilla.

Kidding aside, this has turned into a far better discussion than I thought it would have.


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Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: HotRodDave] #1333057
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Do we need any more?? We have blocks cranks, heads, intakes. Look past the lower hp items. Build a 1000-1300hp big block and you'll find its fairly evenly priced with the brand x stuff. Even the 400-500hp small block stuff. A small block chev with a good forged crank, forged pistons and aluminum heads is within a few hundred bucks of a small block mopar. Its not until you hit the basement that parts parts get cheaper for the brand x guys. When you start buying a set of cast sbc pistons for $60 and cast cranks and crappy heads is where it becomes way cheaper for them! I think we have some really good parts to work with, like the b1 stuff for example. Small and big block is evenly priced with brand x. Im in the middle of finishing a 1100hp tube chassis b1 headed 604 70 cuda and im doing it for almost half of what the brand x guys are doin it for. So do i think we're missing anything? NOPE!! just gotta shop around, its all out there. This was my rant, cheers everyone!! Mopars rule!!!!!

P.s i live in canada where everthing is more expensive

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: bigtimeauto] #1333058
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I was talking to a racer at Mopar Week End at Gateway about how he has designed a new block and heads for big block/Hemi He was talking way over my head but addressed many issues that have been metioned, He owned and raced a black Barracuda with true flames, raced both ss/aa and 10 inch tire, He went on to say his design has been tested and he was having heads and blocks cast. Maybe someone knows him???

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: MoparBilly] #1333059
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strength in numbers, it's a simple matter of supply and demand

i would think if there is one single thing lacking it's bore space, but then comes the required heads

it does cost more to run a chrysler no matter how you cut it, dollar per HP it's more expensive (think about used parts as well). not to mention for every single choice in a chrysler part there's a dozen in a chevy part.

if i wanted to be like everyone else i would run a chevy but that wouldn't interest me enough to do it so i'm stuck with chrysler.

could be worse we could be discussing BOP or AMC, now those guys really have it bad.

i don't get into the "our stuff is better than their stuff" arguments, it's a moot point. the BB chevy engine is hard to beat on a dollar per HP basis

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: jamesc] #1333060
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strength in numbers, it's a simple matter of supply and demand

i would think if there is one single thing lacking it's bore space, but then comes the required heads

it does cost more to run a chrysler no matter how you cut it, dollar per HP it's more expensive (think about used parts as well). not to mention for every single choice in a chrysler part there's a dozen in a chevy part.




Pull out the Jeg's or Summit catalogs...
There are 20 pages for each Chevy part, 5 pages for a Ford part and 1 page for a Mopar part..

Simply numbers based...

Just my $0.02...

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HATE:
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I agree...and am working on it...

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