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What are we missing as Mopar guys #1333022 11/10/12 09:55 AM 11/10/12 09:55 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy J joshking440 OP Lunch is on me!
joshking440 OP Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	What are some of the industry items that you think we are lacking? Certain head designs? Different Block options? Where do you think we are lacking something

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: joshking440] #1333023 11/10/12 09:58 AM 11/10/12 09:58 AM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,880 Out in Left Field, NY B bobs66440 top fuel
bobs66440 top fuel B Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,880 Out in Left Field, NY	Affordability. That's the biggest issue. We can make the same HP numbers as the Chevy guys. It just costs twice as much. And the parts are insane.

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: joshking440] #1333024 11/10/12 09:59 AM 11/10/12 09:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,921 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,921 United Socialist States of Ame...	Money,Josh!! We are missing money!! Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: joshking440] #1333025 11/10/12 10:00 AM 11/10/12 10:00 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 127 Long Island, NY B1Johnny member
B1Johnny member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 127 Long Island, NY	bigger bore space blocks and heads.if i want to go any faster on motor i will have to go to the dark side.

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: bobs66440] #1333026 11/10/12 10:03 AM 11/10/12 10:03 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy J joshking440 OP Lunch is on me!
joshking440 OP Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	Cranks Rods Pistons Rockers Cams Lifters Carbs Bolts Nuts and Bearings all Cost the same money, no matter what brand So Heads and blocks are all thats left Is it because our 2500.00 heads dont make the same power that a cheby 2500.00 head?

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: B1Johnny] #1333027 11/10/12 10:06 AM 11/10/12 10:06 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy J joshking440 OP Lunch is on me!
joshking440 OP Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	If we had a 4.900 block an head that was affordable, would that put us where we needed to be... who would buy one... I see a lot of SBF stuff that is pretty slick as well as SB2.2s but its just so few of the people that run that stuff

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: joshking440] #1333028 11/10/12 10:10 AM 11/10/12 10:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,813 Blue Ridge, VA Plumb Wired master
Plumb Wired master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,813 Blue Ridge, VA	SB: high end cylinder heads! most of the SB drag race cylinder head R&D ended with the demise of Pro Stock Truck. BB: larger bore space blocks & cylinder heads to support larger cubic inches & hp. I know that these things will probably never happen because there just isn't a large enough market for them but it would be nice to have more options for high end Mopar builds. Mike Gray RIP Monte Smith aka: OutlawFish '98 Bickel Dodge Dakota PST

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: joshking440] #1333029 11/10/12 10:20 AM 11/10/12 10:20 AM
Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 127 Long Island, NY B1Johnny member
B1Johnny member Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 127 Long Island, NY	chevy stuff is bigger than that 5.0 up to 5.3 we have 4.900 the 99 hemi.i would buy it for my next build.i have a friend that owns a machine shop in jersey he was working on a head that flows over 580 cfm with the same valve layout we run.he moved the exhaust valves around so the heat wont affect the center clyinders.he thinks there is no market for it i dont think he will make them.i might get him to make me a set.

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: bobs66440] #1333030 11/10/12 10:23 AM 11/10/12 10:23 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O 70Cuda383 Too Many Posts
70Cuda383 Too Many Posts Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 21,345 Marysville, O-H-I-O	Quote: Affordability. That's the biggest issue. We can make the same HP numbers as the Chevy guys. It just costs twice as much. And the parts are insane. Yup. THIS is what we're missing! I was showing my wife something yesterday. Showed her a picture of a quicktime bell housing for a small block chevy to a GM 4-spd transmission. Price was like $380. Showed her a picture of a quicktime bell housing for a small block Mopar to a viper T-56. Price was $550. She said "they look the same!" Photobucket sucks

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: Plumb Wired] #1333031 11/10/12 10:30 AM 11/10/12 10:30 AM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 126 Howell,MI M Moparpoor member
Moparpoor member M Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 126 Howell,MI	Ease of availability of higher end parts that work and competitive pricing.

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: Plumb Wired] #1333032 11/10/12 10:31 AM 11/10/12 10:31 AM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 601 Niles, Michigan Hitman340 mopar
Hitman340 mopar Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 601 Niles, Michigan	Quote: SB: high end cylinder heads! most of the SB drag race cylinder head R&D ended with the demise of Pro Stock Truck. BB: larger bore space blocks & cylinder heads to support larger cubic inches & hp. I know that these things will probably never happen because there just isn't a large enough market for them but it would be nice to have more options for high end Mopar builds. Mike Gray jeffallisonms@yahoo.com

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: joshking440] #1333033 11/10/12 10:50 AM 11/10/12 10:50 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,395 Pa Hot 340 master
Hot 340 master Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,395 Pa	My opinion is you need a whole new consumer base. The few mopar guys there are aint gonna buy the spendy go fast parts even if they did make them. You have to attact new blood that HAS money, and that could only be done by Chrysler building new, light, modify-freindy cars that dont weigh a ton like the fox bodies of recent past.

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: Hot 340] #1333034 11/10/12 11:00 AM 11/10/12 11:00 AM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 master
fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	I agree consumer base.The money thing im finding out is not the culprit because ford and chevy at the high level is just as much $.

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: tboomer] #1333035 11/10/12 11:10 AM 11/10/12 11:10 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,448 Phoenix, AZ M MoparBilly master
MoparBilly master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,448 Phoenix, AZ	Quote: Money,Josh!! We are missing money!! Ding, ding, ding, We have a winner! Most mopar guys I've met are fairly intelligent, and very frugal. They were drawn to mopars because they realized that while the initial investment was more, the pay off was in reliabilty and longevity. They aren't going to throw stuff away that isn't broken, and they aren't going to jump at the newest fad part that hits the market. I love the Mopar guys who say, "mopars are more expensive, so we can't build what the chevy guys or ford guys can". Those guys are spending a TON of money on that crap, and they are doing it over and over and over again! When is the last time Dart or Brodix had to reverse engineer thier heads, because the chevy guys complained about buying or building a new set of headers? The ford and chevy guys spend stupid money to go fast. The Mopar guys simply won't do that, or at least not in large enough numbers to support the r&d for top shelf parts. "Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks" 4 Street cars, 5 Race engines

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: joshking440] #1333036 11/10/12 11:13 AM 11/10/12 11:13 AM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 - R RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer
RSNOMO Moparts Torchbearer R Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 18,880 -	Quote: What are some of the industry items that you think we are lacking? Certain head designs? Different Block options? Where do you think we are lacking something All rooted in $$$... R&D on 'new' pieces is gonna require a broader customer base... A young guy who may not be 'brand specific' is gonna look for the best bang for the buck... He may look at GM... A lot of guys here have bailed... Age, economics, interest... The sun may be setting...

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: Hot 340] #1333037 11/10/12 11:26 AM 11/10/12 11:26 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,428 Dandridge TN D Dabee master
Dabee master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,428 Dandridge TN	Quote: My opinion is you need a whole new consumer base. The few mopar guys there are aint gonna buy the spendy go fast parts even if they did make them. You have to attact new blood that HAS money, and that could only be done by Chrysler building new, light, modify-freindy cars that dont weigh a ton like the fox bodies of recent past. Yep and they�ll put a small block chevy in them!

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: joshking440] #1333038 11/10/12 11:35 AM 11/10/12 11:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 Central New York slippery440 Crybaby440
slippery440 Crybaby440 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,142 Central New York	Quote: Cranks Rods Pistons Rockers Cams Lifters Carbs Bolts Nuts and Bearings all Cost the same money, no matter what brand So Heads and blocks are all thats left Is it because our 2500.00 heads dont make the same power that a cheby 2500.00 head? I will fix that for you. "Is it because our 2500.00 heads don't make the same power as a cheby 1200,00 head?" Plus where do you find those 2500.00 heads that make power to keep up with the chevy guys. Not from the company you are going to work for. No money out here anymore for go fast parts. Lucky just to be able to race once in awhile at 150 dollars per day cost. If the MODS did their job I would not be hitting the notify MOD button. LOL

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: Moparpoor] #1333039 11/10/12 11:36 AM 11/10/12 11:36 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 506 Texas Afghanistan Iraq etc. D DakFink mopar
DakFink mopar D Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 506 Texas Afghanistan Iraq etc.	Quote: Ease of availability of higher end parts that work and competitive pricing. This pretty much sums it up. Even if the Price weren't a factor the availability of parts that work together is an issue as well. Try building a W9 Headed R3 or a Gen II Hemi with premium parts and see how long it takes to just scrounge up the parts. You really pulled some rabbits out of the hat if you can build it with 100% new parts and with out having to wait 2-3-6 months on any of it. I hear it all the time. There is NO MARKET for this or that. WELL NO s---t. Especially when over the last 10yrs the best you can hope for is someone might have or know where to get all the parts you need to build a complete engine. Mopar doesn't even stock everything to build an engine from scratch and I can't think of 1 single Mopar Vender that you could call and have all the bits and pieces to build a premium engine from scratch within a months time frame. But if it's a Chevy or Ford you would have no problems placing your order on Monday and having everything at your door by Next Friday. I know people that the Money aspect doesn't bother them BUT the being able to get stuff in a timely manner or at all is a real deal breaker. You race a Mopar Hard and roach a head and you're out for the rest of the season looking for another head and then getting it outfitted the way you need it. If it's a C or F option then you could order Monday and maybe have to miss 1 weekend of racing at most. Last edited by DakFink; 11/10/12 11:41 AM.

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: DakFink] #1333040 11/10/12 11:53 AM 11/10/12 11:53 AM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,129 Cleveland sunroofgtx I Live Here
sunroofgtx I Live Here Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 12,129 Cleveland	I know for a fact that Mopar Performance is getting retailers with good products that MP could sell, but is not accepting them. That would be a start. Better products available to the racers. Join the quickest team in motorsports. Team FireCore. CustomWiresets.com

Re: What are we missing as Mopar guys [Re: sunroofgtx] #1333041 11/10/12 12:28 PM 11/10/12 12:28 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy J joshking440 OP Lunch is on me!
joshking440 OP Lunch is on me! J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,590 Indy	Looking to Mopar to fix this issue isnt the resolve..... But its still just heads and a block.... everyone waits for good cranks and rods and pistons

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