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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: 604 Hemi GTX]
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11/07/12 03:22 PM
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Kevin, The KB Street HEMI block is what we would recommend as you can order this with a raised cam location. If you send me an E-mail I will send you the order form that shows all the block options that are available along with a list of some of the more popular HEMI products that we manufacture. Send your E-mail to: kbracing@verizon.net. Thank you for considering our products for your engine build.
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: 604 Hemi GTX]
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11/07/12 03:52 PM
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For what it's worth, I did not have mine drilled for lifter oil galleys (after talking w/ Ken) and it's been flawless for the 6 years I've been running it. I run a solid roller, but it's not real aggressive. I have it apart for freshening right now and everything looks great.
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: maximum entropy]
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11/07/12 07:09 PM
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I wish I had a big blow-up picture of that to hang on my living room wall with all the race car pictures. No home interior crap hanging on our walls 
i think i'll take down my tv and put a big print of that block up. stunning.
 That's ARTWORK... 
Chris.. 
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Re: Keith Black Block?
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11/07/12 09:05 PM
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1965 A/FX Plymouth 9.50 et @139 mph 1965 A/FX awb plymouth flashback [email]10.26@129mph[/email] mph on pump gas 426 hemi 1969 GTX Hemi 4 speed 12.50 et @ 112mph in F.A.S.T TRIM 1970 GTX 4406pac 4 speed 11.05 @126.9 mph in F.A.S.T TRIM http://www.AFXER.com
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: maximum entropy]
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11/07/12 10:57 PM
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I wish I had a big blow-up picture of that to hang on my living room wall with all the race car pictures. No home interior crap hanging on our walls
i think i'll take down my tv and put a big print of that block up. stunning.
WOW that does look nice and the best thing about it.. It's going in my Dart with one of those Procharger things. 
Thank you Ken Black
Thanks to Performance Only (Dan) for putting up with me!
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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11/08/12 12:36 AM
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Ken, Thanks for the update, with pictures no less. I'll give you a call next week.  None of the aluminum blocks on the market are inexpensive, but when you consider the options available with these blocks and the customer service that stands behind the product, I still firmly believe they are the only real choice for anyone that wants to make some serious horsepower. Over the years i think i've had my hands on just about every name brand RB and Hemi block available and the KB block puts everything else to shame.
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: Performance Only]
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11/08/12 12:41 AM
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Over the years i think i've had my hands on just about every name brand RB and Hemi block available and the KB block puts everything else to shame.
well i won't be making big HP but at least i feel i made the right choice
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: Performance Only]
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11/08/12 10:15 AM
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Ken, Thanks for the update, with pictures no less. I'll give you a call next week.
None of the aluminum blocks on the market are inexpensive, but when you consider the options available with these blocks and the customer service that stands behind the product, I still firmly believe they are the only real choice for anyone that wants to make some serious horsepower.
I have 2 KB cast blocks and have run just as fast as a billet block, but what about the BAE billet block?
They are quite a eyeful to look at.
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: 604 Hemi GTX]
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11/08/12 11:42 AM
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I'm in the process of collecting the parts for my 604ci Hemi. I'm planning on buying a KBRE aluminum block but not sure which block and what options i should get. I know the street hemi block won't work because i need the raised cam, so is it the stage 8 block i need is there anything else i should get done right now. Things after you got yours, you said i should of got this done.
Thanks for any and all info
Kevin
I'm not sure you need the raised cam block for a Hemi with a 4.50 bore and a 4.75 stroke, 2.20 journal crank.
On a wedge if you want to run any sort of decent lift you need a raised cam block. Are you using a 55mm cam and alloy rods? Do you want to go bigger in the future?
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: Performance Only]
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11/08/12 02:34 PM
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Consensus is you can with steel rods and stock cam tunnel position and diameter. Good point though, you may as well tick the box for raised cam if you're starting from scratch.
'74 Challenger..9.46 @ 145.9 1/4, 6.001 @ 118 1/8 so far. 4023lb !!! # N/A, Marsh performance 655ci, Indy Maxx, T/R, Indy 600-13 X's, Street legal, pump gas, full interior, Cal-Tracs, mufflers, 3:73's and real 10.5 radials.
9.51 @ 142.4 1/4, 6.003 @ 114 1/8 with our old mule KB, 572-13, 580 wedge.
RHD '68 Barracuda Fastback 323ci street/strip. Best ET 13.88 @ 99.03
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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11/08/12 09:07 PM
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Challenger 1, Nothing against the BAE Billet (Forged) blocks but we prefer the KB Forged Blocks. We think they look pretty nice and they're 30% stronger than the other Billet (Forged) blocks on the market. Different alloy.
Hubba , Hubba, that looks a true thing of beauty . . .
I must not look any longer, I must not look any longer 
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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11/08/12 09:12 PM
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Challenger 1, Nothing against the BAE Billet (Forged) blocks but we prefer the KB Forged Blocks. We think they look pretty nice and they're 30% stronger than the other Billet (Forged) blocks on the market. Different alloy.
Sweet!! 
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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11/08/12 09:43 PM
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Challenger 1, Nothing against the BAE Billet (Forged) blocks but we prefer the KB Forged Blocks. We think they look pretty nice and they're 30% stronger than the other Billet (Forged) blocks on the market. Different alloy.
Have you ever thought about casting a G3 hemi block? 
Sorry for the hijack. Matt
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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11/09/12 10:02 AM
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Challenger 1, Nothing against the BAE Billet (Forged) blocks but we prefer the KB Forged Blocks. We think they look pretty nice and they're 30% stronger than the other Billet (Forged) blocks on the market. Different alloy.
You guys did make it!!  I had heard years ago that plans to make the forged block were dropped.
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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11/09/12 10:04 AM
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Challenger 1, Nothing against the BAE Billet (Forged) blocks but we prefer the KB Forged Blocks. We think they look pretty nice and they're 30% stronger than the other Billet (Forged) blocks on the market. Different alloy.
Why are there no additional supports on the front cam bearing?
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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11/30/12 07:06 PM
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Well....I spoke with Ken today and put my order in for a street hemi block with all the options I wanted and the ones you guys recommended. Ken is a super nice guy to talk with. Thanks Ken and everyone that replied to this thread. Now the wait begins...  Kevin
Last edited by 542GTX; 12/01/12 01:57 AM.
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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12/01/12 03:59 PM
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It is a little hard to see in the photo but the front cam bearing area is almost a complete solid tube and doesn't need any additional support. I will try to get some time to take a better photo angle of this that I will post later. As of today no one has reported any problems with the #1 cam bore with our KB Stg16 Forged blocks.
Are the sleeves in the forged block capable of handling a 4.500" bore or would it need to be special ordered to use your cast block's large bore sleeves?
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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12/06/12 11:34 PM
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Thanks for all of the nice compliments everybody and for putting your trust in our products. We will keep working to maintain your confidence in us.
And Thank You for the order Kevin. The foundry is still keeping to their word for two per week so delivery times should start to get better very soon.
As far as the KB Forged blocks go we make each one to the customer's specifications so the 4.500 bore sleeves would not be a problem or an extra charge.
Although our contact has been limited to the few times here on Moparts I would like to add that the way you guys conduct your business as well as the quality parts you guys put out there is something we truely respect and admire. Anyone who knows about aftermarket Mopar big blocks knows that Kieth Black was the company that paved the way. It still gives me goosebumps when we get the previlage to hear our name in the same sentance as yours. Being a small family owned business ourselves (not to mention engine manufacturer) we know the many hardships we are up against and its not getting any easier over time. But for what its worth you guys are truely good people and if I didn't make my own blocks I'd buy one of yours.
Steve Koleno
Koleno Performance
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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12/09/12 10:21 AM
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Hat's off To Ken Black and KBRE for excellent customer service. On 11/21/12 (the day before Thanksgiving) I went to look at what was supposed to be a 605" KB B1-MC engine. After my visit to look at the engine I emailed KBRE with some numbers I found on the block and Ken responded within a few hours with more info on where to look for additional numbers to properly ID the block. We exchanged three emails over the next couple of days and I made the purchase. Even though I had never bought anything from KBRE Ken took the time to help me and that means a lot! Thanks Ken & KBRE! Mike Gray
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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12/11/12 03:58 PM
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I'm going to piggyback on this thread and ask a related question instead of opening a new thread if y'all don't mind.
I'm getting ready to order a block. It looks like most sleeves can go 4.500 to 4.530 max. How small a bore can a 4.500 max sleeve come with? Can I get a 4.44 bore, then go 4.470 then go 4.500? Does it make sense to do this?
For what they cost I'd like to get as much life as I can before I have to buy 8 more sleeves.
1967 Coronet, 1989 Daytona tube chassis.
Former cars, 66 Charger, 67 R/T, 69 Coronet, 67 Dart GT.
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Re: Keith Black Block?
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12/11/12 04:54 PM
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I'm going to piggyback on this thread and ask a related question instead of opening a new thread if y'all don't mind.
I'm getting ready to order a block. It looks like most sleeves can go 4.500 to 4.530 max. How small a bore can a 4.500 max sleeve come with? Can I get a 4.44 bore, then go 4.470 then go 4.500? Does it make sense to do this?
I'm not sure on that one. I'd give Ken a call and ask him.
On most of combo's we do we start at 4.500, then if need be you can go 4.505, 4.510, 4.530, 4.535, etc. up to 4.560
it's all about the application and ring sets available.
For what they cost I'd like to get as much life as I can before I have to buy 8 more sleeves.
machine shop owner and engine builder
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: Performance Only]
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12/11/12 09:44 PM
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The KB's have two different sleeve OD's. The standard is 4.620" and the oversize is 4.700". You need to order the oversize to get .100" wall thickness at 4.500". As far as a starting point for ID, I think you can specify when you order the block.
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Re: Keith Black Block?
[Re: KB RACING ENG]
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12/12/12 06:16 PM
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Hey Ken,
Hope I didn't overstep by answering for you, would like to say on a side note, I had to order a replacement sleeve a couple of years ago, you asked for all of the pertinent info, ID" OD", stroker clearance, ring type for honing, I got the sleeve, took a few measurements, everything was perfect right down to where the stroker clearancing matched the original block clearancing after I knocked it in. You guys are the "BEST."
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