Re: A question for Muffler engineers?
[Re: fullmetaljacket]
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11/10/12 02:53 AM
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Really like the direction you are going on this project. Been wanting to do this myself (mainly for the weight saving advantage), but read somewhere that a certain amount of heat has to be kept in the pipes to maintain exhaust efficiency? Supposedly this is lost when the wall gets thinner, anyone heard of this? I built an aluminum silencer for my snowmobile before the aftermarket offered them. I modeled it off my motocross bike: used a thin-wall metal pipe, perforated it, made end-caps, and riveted an aluminum outer to it. It didn't last: blew out the rivets so I re-did it and doubled the rivets. It weighed maybe a tenth of what the factory system was, so I achieved the goal. I guess the moral of the story is that this is why the factory systems are so freakin' heavy: so they last the life of the car.
Mo' Farts
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Re: A question for Muffler engineers?
[Re: Grizzly]
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11/10/12 03:00 AM
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So, never one to give up, I went to work on my Yamaha 660 Grizzly.
Here's the factory stainless system that weighs a ton:
Mo' Farts
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Re: A question for Muffler engineers?
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11/10/12 10:23 AM
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So as I understand it, our motors are approx 33% efficient, ie 1/3 mechanical energy to the drive train, 1/3 waste heat ie radiator, radiant heat, etc, and 1/3 acoustic energy out the exhaust. So when a muffler absorbs/converts this acoustic energy, it is converted into heat, and therefore mufflers get hotter the more effective they are in reducing acoustic output. Seems maybe alum in this application is only for a poorly executed muffler design
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: A question for Muffler engineers?
[Re: fullmetaljacket]
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11/12/12 10:34 AM
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Where do you presume that this Mineral Wool is available?
You can get ceramic fiber from HMF here in Cleveland ,Ohio
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Re: A question for Muffler engineers?
[Re: fullmetaljacket]
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11/26/12 08:27 PM
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3" round tube Muffler Hangers. Next I will show you'll the Aluminum mufflers themselves when completed. Should save a good 20 Lbs alone.
Last edited by fullmetaljacket; 11/26/12 08:31 PM.
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