Re: Headers for a 5th Ave? 360 2bbl or 4bbl for 318
[Re: 76dodgeboy]
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I would use the Street Dominator that I have for sale or use a Eddy performer if I was going new.. Not sure on the headers.
I am truckless..
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Re: Headers for a 5th Ave? 360 2bbl or 4bbl for 318
[Re: 76dodgeboy]
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10/08/12 12:58 PM
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Keep in mind a 'standard' 318 in a 5th will have 318 heads with smaller ports, so a 318-4 intake (aka a 360 intake) will have larger ports, giving you a discontinuity/neck-down at the cyl head port.
For mpg, I think the payout on headers would take a while. Other parts would be of better benefit. Search for a HotRodDave MPG thread.
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Re: Headers for a 5th Ave? 360 2bbl or 4bbl for 318
[Re: 76dodgeboy]
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10/08/12 04:31 PM
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Scratch 235s are a bit big for it. I thought letting the motor breathe better helps with mileage etc so why would stock manifold be a better choice than headers?
that would be true.
the progressive pipe size going from manifold 2" outlet to a 2 1/4" pipe into the 2-into-1 collector for a single 3" pipe back to a 3" in/out muff with a 3" tail pipe. acts the same as a set of headers for scavaging exhast flow, will still need the carb jetted as it leans it out same as headers.
3" is way more that a teen or 360 needs on a driver. the 2" manifold with the 2 1/4 head pipe about 2-3 feet long will keep it from killing off low end torque.
this is kinda popular around my area for the 5th aves. some use flowcrapers/dynomax/glass pack for sound tuning.
best I have seen was with a stock hemi muffler. that one had a whiplash cam and no noise sneaking around with 3.91sg. you sure could hear the q-jet though
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Re: Headers for a 5th Ave? 360 2bbl or 4bbl for 318
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10/08/12 04:35 PM
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Quote:
this is kinda popular around my area for the 5th aves. some use flowcrapers/dynomax/glass pack for sound tuning.
Popular? So both 5ths are done that way?
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Re: Headers for a 5th Ave? 360 2bbl or 4bbl for 318
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10/08/12 05:09 PM
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had both hedman and summit brand A body headers on mine, worked good, never bottomed them out.
go 4bbl on the 318. have never driven a 360 that wasn't a pig in the fuel economy department.
1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod **SOLD!*** 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)
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Re: Headers for a 5th Ave? 360 2bbl or 4bbl for 318
[Re: 76dodgeboy]
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10/09/12 10:53 AM
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best mileage with my 5th aves (had an '86 and '88) I got was when they were stock with lean burn. I'd get 22-25mpg on the highway, 13 around town, and about 18 mixed. when I modded the '86 with a mild 360 (stock long block, eddie 600, eddie air gap, comp XE262, headers), & 3.55 rear I got about 11 in town, 15 highway, 13 mixed. I replaced the 998 tranny with an A500 (OD), and that brought it to 11 in town, and about 17-18 highway, 15 mixed. then I replaced the 360 with the original reringed 318 shortblock wearing magnum heads, the same intake and headers/exhaust as the 360, and had the factory roller cam reground to 259adv/208@.050/127@.2"/.316" lobe lift/.506"@ the valve, and mileage increased to about 13-14 in town, 20 highway, and 17.5 mixed. power felt about the same as the 360....either would hang with a 2005 300C AWD (so, realistically mid 14's car) tires were either 205/75R15 or 255/50R17 (both 27" tall). then I sold it and bought a 2011 charger R/T, which is faster, more comfortable, and I've been averaging 23mpg in mixed driving.... as an aside, I honestly think I coulda gotten the 5th ave's mileage up another 2-3mpg had I swapped the air gap/eddie AFB combo (which I tuned with an LM1 wide band O2 for optimal mixure...was way too rich OOTB) with a small t-quad on a modded LD340 intake, or had tried one of the new thermoquad style demon carbs http://www.demoncarbs.com/Types/Street%20Demon.asp
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Re: Headers for a 5th Ave? 360 2bbl or 4bbl for 318
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10/09/12 05:05 PM
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mine had a custom built (by me and a friend) all 409 stainless 3" mandrel bent system off the headers, BTW....
well, almost all stainless...they dynomax 17769 muffler and 3" summit glasspack in the tail pipe as a resonator were both aluminized.
1976 Spinnaker White Plymouth Duster, /6 A833OD 1986 Silver/Twilight Blue Chrysler 5th Ave HotRod **SOLD!*** 2011 Toxic Orange Dodge Charger R/T 2017 Grand Cherokee Overland 2014 Jeep Cherokee Latitude (holy crap, my daughter is driving)
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