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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312258
10/21/12 10:52 AM
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that dyno sheet looks weird, tq and hp cross at 5600 rpm or so, should be at 5250.

Re: Down on Power [Re: tsanchez] #1312259
10/21/12 11:39 AM
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that dyno sheet looks weird, tq and hp cross at 5600 rpm or so, should be at 5250.




Lets check that out .....
The guy at the controls is David Barton
Frame 1:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rG0doYzstE

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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312260
10/21/12 03:23 PM
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After looking at the graph again it appears the numbers on the left are not aligned, if you match them it does cross at 5250.

never mind

Seems something happened from dyno room to chassis though as it does underperform.

Re: Down on Power [Re: tsanchez] #1312261
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After looking at the graph again it appears the numbers on the left are not aligned, if you match them it does cross at 5250.

never mind

Seems something happened from dyno room to chassis though as it does underperform.




Yeah ! But WHAT !!????
LOL !!!!
Thanks for all the help on this brain buster !
MUCH appreciated !!!!
chryco


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Re: Down on Power [Re: Cab_Burge] #1312262
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Try flow testing the system through the carb. bowls instead of directly out of the fuel lines. When I replaced the Magnfuel 275 pump with the Magnafuel 300 pump it flowed the same amount with the fuel lines(six pak, three lines) disconnected I called Magnafuel and they said that I was NOT testing the pump correctly, to restrict the flow with the same size as the needles and seat. I hooked up one fuel line and the fuel flow doubled




So hey Cab ! Do you mean I am going to be pulling the fuel bowls off , holding the floats open and flowing into the bucket while timing to 1 gal. ?

chryco


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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312263
10/22/12 03:45 AM
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I just received some proof pics from the track photographer which now show the launch. I see the car pics up the wheels lets them down then pics them up again (not as high) all from initial launch to just about the tree. It did this in all three sets .
Maybe I am starving for fuel ? I`d love to print the pics, but I haven`t paid for them yet.
chryco


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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312264
10/22/12 09:06 AM
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I just received some proof pics from the track photographer which now show the launch. I see the car pics up the wheels lets them down then pics them up again (not as high) all from initial launch to just about the tree. It did this in all three sets .
Maybe I am starving for fuel ? I`d love to print the pics, but I haven`t paid for them yet.
chryco




Do you have jet extensions in the secondary

Re: Down on Power [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1312265
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Are you running power valves?

Re: Down on Power [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1312266
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I just received some proof pics from the track photographer which now show the launch. I see the car pics up the wheels lets them down then pics them up again (not as high) all from initial launch to just about the tree. It did this in all three sets .
Maybe I am starving for fuel ? I`d love to print the pics, but I haven`t paid for them yet.
chryco




Do you have jet extensions in the secondary





No I do not. Something else for my Xmas list !
Thx !
chryco


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Re: Down on Power [Re: tsanchez] #1312267
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Are you running power valves?




Blocked and #90`s square . Just like on the dyno.
Thx !
chryco


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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312268
10/22/12 08:49 PM
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I just received some proof pics from the track photographer which now show the launch. I see the car pics up the wheels lets them down then pics them up again (not as high) all from initial launch to just about the tree. It did this in all three sets .
Maybe I am starving for fuel ? I`d love to print the pics, but I haven`t paid for them yet.
chryco




Do you have jet extensions in the secondary





No I do not. Something else for my Xmas list !
Thx !
chryco




Most likely this is your problem... and a cheap fix

Re: Down on Power [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1312269
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Thanks !


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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312270
10/23/12 01:25 PM
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You're a bit beyond my normal realm - but in terms of basics - the PG is for lighter cars - under 2800lbs race weight is what I've always been told. So I'd think it would need mroe gear. But - before that I think the fuel system needs some work. I'd want -12 from sump to regulator and -10 from reg to carb if you're only filling through (2) inlets rather than (4). I don't know that two -8 can feed it that well considering the launch. Once the rest is worked out the convertor may be fine.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312271
10/23/12 02:40 PM
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I just received some proof pics from the track photographer which now show the launch. I see the car pics up the wheels lets them down then pics them up again (not as high) all from initial launch to just about the tree. It did this in all three sets .
Maybe I am starving for fuel ? I`d love to print the pics, but I haven`t paid for them yet.
chryco




Do you have jet extensions in the secondary





No I do not. Something else for my Xmas list !
Thx !
chryco


Fix the little stuff first and go from there I forgot about jet extensions being mandatory on 11 second and faster cars


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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312272
10/23/12 06:43 PM
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Try flow testing the system through the carb. bowls instead of directly out of the fuel lines. When I replaced the Magnfuel 275 pump with the Magnafuel 300 pump it flowed the same amount with the fuel lines(six pak, three lines) disconnected I called Magnafuel and they said that I was NOT testing the pump correctly, to restrict the flow with the same size as the needles and seat. I hooked up one fuel line and the fuel flow doubled




So hey Cab ! Do you mean I am going to be pulling the fuel bowls off , holding the floats open and flowing into the bucket while timing to 1 gal. ?

chryco




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Re: Down on Power [Re: chryco] #1312273
10/25/12 12:03 AM
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Thanks for all the help on this problem Guys! I now have a direction to aim for and get that car down the track a little faster / quicker next season. I did FINALLY find my time slips and here`s the most legible one also the faster of the day.
chryco
Mine`s #426 (left lane)


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