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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: RobX4406]
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10/26/12 04:01 PM
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I'd put a different header on it. Either supercomps or tti.
Intake, not sure where you plan to spin it. My first choice would be a victor 340. An Air Gap with a 1" open spacer will run well too if you already have one. You could also mill the divider down a little... never tested that on an Air Gap, worked OK on ld340's.
The way I read the carb rule is the throttle plate/baseplate size is your limiter. The mainbody venturi is not addressed. Nor is a 750 carb from holley usually a throttle plate that large, they are usually 1 11/16", less than 1.75"
Supercomps hang below the centerlink, or do they go above it?
Im thinking 7k will be the max?? but not 100% sure yet. I do have the air gap with the 1" spacer right now, but no milling of the center divider has been done. I guess im im going over 6500 its best to go single plane?
As for the carb, I will have to look into what will work better then
Thanks Rob
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: mshred]
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10/26/12 08:34 PM
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Think Stock/Superstock and talk to those engine builders who specialize in these classes! My 76 stock stroke 360(+.030)in a 3400lb all steel SuperStock legal Volare with 9.1 comp,308"worked"iron heads,.600+ inch roller cam and one of those "POS" Thermoquads(lol)on a victor 340..will run deep into the 10's in good air and set on kill. Another stock stroke/iron headed 360 SuperStock Volare from the south central US has gone high 9's setting the SS/JA record(it went straight to the barn,tore down and deamed 100% NHRA SS legal). I know these two combo's/engine's are far from streetable with deep gearing,high stall converters and race fuel..but don't let anybody tell you you can't make good horsepower with a 3.58 stroke 360..not going to BS you and say its cheap and anybody can do it..but its all about making the total package work together!
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: Locomotion]
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10/26/12 08:46 PM
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Your combo has good potential as I've been fast with less footbraking! High 1.40 60's, 7.0's in the 1/8 and 11.20's in the 1/4.
Stock stroke 360 with unported RHS/Indy heads, O-deck flattops with approx 63-64cc heads (about 10.5-1) .474" lift with actually a bit more duration, Holley Strip Dom. intake, 1" 4 hole tapered spacer & Holley 750. 904, 2.71 low, 5,300+ actual flash converter, 4.86 gears with 30"x9" Hoosier lightweight radial slicks ................at 3,540+ lbs! There is more in it but not quite sure if I can hit 10's if I pull out all the stops in VG air.
You gotta do some fine-tuning too - crank scraper, I think the newer all-aluminum Holley carbs work better than the old versions (but test a lot with jets, squirters and pumpcams), Amsoil synthetics throughout, the 3" x-pipe helped me a bit while using Dynomax Ultra-Flo's. I do shift around 67-68 & go through at a bit more. A dual plane might be better if you don't go with more gear, but it worked better for my combo. More gear with a taller tire will yield better, more consistent results - provides a little more rubber on the track and the extra "leverage" may help a bit.
Just a touch more duration to spin it 6800. You know that things has some 10.8's in it when it comes heads-up time. I've seen what those Sloan crate motors can do.
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: SuperStockWagon]
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10/26/12 08:56 PM
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Think Stock/Superstock and talk to those engine builders who specialize in these classes!
My 76 stock stroke 360(+.30)in a 3400lb all steel SuperStock legal Volare with 9.1 comp,308"worked"iron heads,.600+ inch roller cam and one of those "POS" Thermoquads(lol)on a victor 340..will run deep into the 10's in good air and set on kill.
Another stock stroke/iron headed 360 SuperStock Volare from the south central US has gone high 9's setting the SS/JA record(it went straight to the barn,tore down and deamed 100% NHRA SS legal).
I know these two combo's are far from streetable with deep gearing and high stall converters and race fuel..mine goes throught the traps at 7k..but don't let anybody tell you you can't make good horsepower with a 358 stroke 360..not going to BS you and say its cheap and anybody can do it..but its all about making the total package work together!
Umm, most super stock guys from what I know won't and don't talk about what they have lol...its like Area 51 top secret s#$% LOL.
Besids, how many of the parts in those cars would resemble what I am building? You guys are limited to "stock" parts for a lot of things are you not?
Not saying it wouldn't be of help, but im not looking to do it on a super stock racers wallet, and I doubt they would share the info to do it that way- thats if I even knew where to look for them 
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: SuperStockWagon]
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10/27/12 11:47 AM
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Think Stock/Superstock and talk to those engine builders who specialize in these classes!
My 76 stock stroke 360(+.30)in a 3400lb all steel SuperStock legal Volare with 9.1 comp,308"worked"iron heads,.600+ inch roller cam and one of those "POS" Thermoquads(lol)on a victor 340..will run deep into the 10's in good air and set on kill.
Another stock stroke/iron headed 360 SuperStock Volare from the south central US has gone high 9's setting the SS/JA record(it went straight to the barn,tore down and deamed 100% NHRA SS legal).
I know these two combo's are far from streetable with deep gearing and high stall converters and race fuel..mine goes throught the traps at 7k..but don't let anybody tell you you can't make good horsepower with a 358 stroke 360..not going to BS you and say its cheap and anybody can do it..but its all about making the total package work together!
Umm, most super stock guys from what I know won't and don't talk about what they have lol...its like Area 51 top secret s#$% LOL.
Besids, how many of the parts in those cars would resemble what I am building? You guys are limited to "stock" parts for a lot of things are you not?
Not saying it wouldn't be of help, but im not looking to do it on a super stock racers wallet, and I doubt they would share the info to do it that way- thats if I even knew where to look for them
Just saying it can be done without NOS etc..10.90's and streetable is doable.
I agree with you, its just a matter of me being able to do it with some parts that I already have while following limitations of the class I want to run (26" tire, 750cfm carb MAX CFM and throttle plate size at 1.75", 385ci max, etc.)
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
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10/29/12 03:12 PM
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Standard is fine.
Happy Birthday Dustin
You don't think there is anything to be gained by swapping in the low gear set? Seems like my combo fits the low gear set perfectly (heavy car, low torque)
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: mshred]
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10/29/12 05:03 PM
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If you can hook it, theoretically it should work better. A 360 is still going to make decent torque and I don't think it will be a drastic change.
With a big converter, maybe a few hundredths to 60 foot, I don't think it will be a night and day change.
-Dustin
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
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10/29/12 07:29 PM
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My only back to back comparison with the low gear vs standard is a swap from a low geared 904 to a 727. It slowed down the 50 about .06 and the over all ET about .2-.3. But, that was a swap to a 727 which is heavier etc etc.
68 Barracuda Formula S 340
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
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11/16/12 04:19 AM
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70AARCuda over on FABO posted up his combo. Runs strong! Nice light car, weighs around 2750+driver. http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=194137&highlight=36010.911 @ 121.58 60ft 1.497 Las Vegas, Temperature over 100 degrees - DA over 5000 ft... 73 360 .060 with Wiseco flattop pistons...11 to 1 compression (pistons have MP part number on them got them for 200 bucks) stock 360 crank with H beam rods (630 grams) no brand name... Hughes 260/264 solid cam with 1.6 crane rockers Hughes CnC eddy heads with 1111 springs..(bought them from someone on FABO) Weiand X-Celerator intake cause it fit the milled heads and block (wanted to use Eddy Victor) Holley 950 carb....brand new at 250 bucks.. Hooker 5204 1 3/4 headers MP electronic race distributor with MSD 7AL-2.. 904 trans by tony with Tranzact transbrake non-LBA Turbo Action 4400 series converter..flashes to 5200 rpm 10x29" tires 4.56 gears http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YMvqpxF1mfU
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
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11/16/12 05:07 AM
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Thanks for the plug...yes..my daughter drives the 71 Dart, has run a best of 10.91 in Vegas over the labor day weekend. Her car is currently get 4 wheel disc brakes with RMS upper control arms and adjustable strut rods..
that video was shot on July 3, 2012 race there.
And I got my 71 Demon to Sacramento Raceway back in Sept...It has a 360 that is similar to the Dart's engine, probably a got 10-20 hp less...and it ran 10;72 @ 120.66..the mph was down i felt but it ran consist.
Last edited by 70AARcuda; 11/16/12 05:10 AM.
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71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas)
71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: 70AARcuda]
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11/16/12 07:51 AM
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Thanks for the plug...yes..my daughter drives the 71 Dart, has run a best of 10.91 in Vegas over the labor day weekend. Her car is currently get 4 wheel disc brakes with RMS upper control arms and adjustable strut rods..
that video was shot on July 3, 2012 race there.
And I got my 71 Demon to Sacramento Raceway back in Sept...It has a 360 that is similar to the Dart's engine, probably a got 10-20 hp less...and it ran 10;72 @ 120.66..the mph was down i felt but it ran consist.
Sorry to hijack, Tony what size carb are you running? I ran same mph in my Duster, but only got a 10.93.
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
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11/16/12 11:52 AM
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Thanks for the plug...yes..my daughter drives the 71 Dart, has run a best of 10.91 in Vegas over the labor day weekend. Her car is currently get 4 wheel disc brakes with RMS upper control arms and adjustable strut rods..
that video was shot on July 3, 2012 race there.
And I got my 71 Demon to Sacramento Raceway back in Sept...It has a 360 that is similar to the Dart's engine, probably a got 10-20 hp less...and it ran 10;72 @ 120.66..the mph was down i felt but it ran consist.
Tony's stuff runs awesome! I wish I could get my cars light as his and running as hard ...Tony, anything in my combo posted above that you would change/ recommend to hit my attempted goal?
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Re: 10 sec stock stroke 360 combos
[Re: moparguy7074]
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11/16/12 11:52 AM
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Thanks for the plug...yes..my daughter drives the 71 Dart, has run a best of 10.91 in Vegas over the labor day weekend. Her car is currently get 4 wheel disc brakes with RMS upper control arms and adjustable strut rods..
that video was shot on July 3, 2012 race there.
And I got my 71 Demon to Sacramento Raceway back in Sept...It has a 360 that is similar to the Dart's engine, probably a got 10-20 hp less...and it ran 10;72 @ 120.66..the mph was down i felt but it ran consist.
Sorry to hijack, Tony what size carb are you running? I ran same mph in my Duster, but only got a 10.93.
Your car stock stroke as well?? Post the combo!
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