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Who sells the most complete hardware kit? #1301308
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My car has been though many relocations over the years and many nuts and bolts either lost or cannibalized for other projects.

Who sells the most complete hardware kits for 71 B bodies?

Re: Who sells the most complete hardware kit? [Re: 71sat440] #1301309
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Ive never used this vendor but have heard good things.

http://www.amkproducts.com/

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I agree on AMK - I purchased their complete body kit (70 Ebody)to use as a reference when I got my 5 gallon bucket of bolts back from the plater. Took me about a week (only spending an hr or so a day) to sort all the bolts back. The kit was dead on (with the exception of the trans bolts) - so it made my sorting a lot easier.

Now I have 2 sets of bolts - original replated and the AMK. I'll definately not go the plating route again... Alot of work to sort all those bolts....

Re: Who sells the most complete hardware kit? [Re: Mr D21] #1301313
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Unless I'm missing a listing AMK has no listing for body bolts.

Im mainly looking for valance, header, hood latch support, hood, trunk lid etc.

Re: Who sells the most complete hardware kit? [Re: 71sat440] #1301314
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Complete and 100% correct are two different things.

I happen to witness some rear 70 Challenger valence hardware that did not 100% match originals. Close, but not 100%.

This is were taken detailed pictures before hand helps tremendously, so you are not stuck with a bucket of bolts trying to guess where they go back.

Re: Who sells the most complete hardware kit? [Re: autoxcuda] #1301315
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Quote:

Complete and 100% correct are two different things.

I happen to witness some rear 70 Challenger valence hardware that did not 100% match originals. Close, but not 100%.

This is were taken detailed pictures before hand helps tremendously, so you are not stuck with a bucket of bolts trying to guess where they go back.




Thats the price you pay when you disassemble cars in your youth and lug them around moves and storage for years trying to do a little work here and there

This car is going to be a fair weather driver, and while I am not worried about things being concours correct I certainly don't want to put the car together with chinese home depot bolts.

Re: Who sells the most complete hardware kit? [Re: 71sat440] #1301316
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i highly doubt that you will ever
find anything near complete..
alot of the smaller kits offered out there
are not complete to begin with!

i would start makin a list of what you need
and start piecing it together.
i'm building a stripped out shell
and the main reason i bought a complete parts car
was for the nuts and bolts and trim...

Re: Who sells the most complete hardware kit? [Re: 71sat440] #1301317
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Quote:

Unless I'm missing a listing AMK has no listing for body bolts.

Im mainly looking for valance, header, hood latch support, hood, trunk lid etc.




AMK has many Chrysler body bolts in the bulk section here, noted with black pentastars:

http://www.amkproducts.com/Catalog_PDF/92-108.pdf

Almost all 'body bolts' are 1/4-20 and 5/16-18 hex machine screws with recessed heads, captive conical washers, "paint cutter" lead points, and phosphated with body color paint on the heads. There is virtually no exception to this, so if you were to go through your bolt buckets and pull out just the ones with these attributes, you will be half way there, except for the missing ones.

As for correctness, Chrysler used many bolt makers as vendors, therefore cars of the same model commonly have the same size bolts but with different head markings from the different bolt makers. It is also common for L and R parts on both sides of a car to have different fasteners.

My car is a 1969 A body, and I have cataloged all the fasteners by every attribute so I can refinish them in bulk, then positively ID each one for reassembly. Sorting my list on just body paint, nearly every body bolt shows up, all having the attributes mentioned above. Even though you have a 1971 B body, I'll bet my body bolts and yours are similar. PM me if you want a list.

The K frame fastener in the photo at bottom right has the paint cutter lead point - no threads at the point with vertical deformations.


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Re: Who sells the most complete hardware kit? [Re: kentj340] #1301318
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Here’s more poop on identifying and reverse engineering lost body bolts to help when digging through a bolt bucket or buying the most correct available fasteners. If you have your body bolts but don't know what goes where, the AMK catalog photos and data for the part numbers called out here may help. The following is true for 69 A body and might be true for others.

Pretty much all body bolts were painted body color and have captive conical washers. You can usually tell what washer diameter the factory installed by inspecting the body part, as the washer leaves a mark. This will help narrow choices.

1. The 5/16-18 size was used for big or heavy pieces, the front fenders, hood, trunk, and battery tray. With a few exceptions mentioned below, all are 1” long with washer diameters 3/4 or 7/8. AMK part B-10790 on page 104 of their catalog is correct for the 3/4 washer applications, except the (unseen) point is not the correct paint cutter lead point. This point is correct for the hood hinges. AMK part B-11542 on page 105 is correct for 7/8 washers.

Part B-11931 on page 105 is not correct, but it is similar and the best choice for the trunk hinges. At least the washer diameter is the correct 1-1/8”, and the maker was a Chrysler vendor. This part is grade 5.1, while one correct version is grade 5, 1-1/4” long, and maker “GL”.

The battery tray used some AMK B-12113 on page 103, but also used some 1” long bolts mentioned above. This B-12113 was cadmium plated and used where battery acid was most likely.

2. The 1/4-20 size was used for lighter parts, like upper and lower grille panels and hood latch parts. All were 3/4, 7/8 or 1” long, and all have 3/4 washers. Use B-11894 or B-11598 on page 99 for 3/4 or 7/8 lengths. There is no 1” length in the AMK catalog.

3. Nuts for body bolts are a more complicated matter to copy exactly, but they are mostly hidden. For 1/4-20, use J nut B-11980 on page 57. For 5/16-18, use U nuts B-12005 or B-13531, both on page 59.

The bracket with the hood pop up spring that’s behind the hood latch support attaches to the radiator yoke with 1/4-20 Keps nuts, or nuts with captive washers. These were B-11481 on page 52.

The front fenders used hidden 5/16-18 Keps nuts just forward of the door hinge. These were B-13242 on page 53. These same Keps nuts were also used at the very bottoms of the fenders, along with double ended studs B-11007 on page 129, and along with thick or thin (0.19” or 0.07”) galvanized flat shim washers of 1-5/16 diameter.

4. There is one larger body bolt size, 3/8-16, used for door hinges. B-13183 on page 111 is correct for hinge to cowl. B13144 is correct for hinge to door. B-13237 on page 109 was used for some non-A body hoods. Large bodies may have used more 3/8 bolts listed on pages 109-113.


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