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Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post #1299419 09/07/12 09:39 PM 09/07/12 09:39 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Here's the rundown: 360 block/half fill/line honed/decked, yadda yadda yadda.etc.... 4" stroke 4340 Eagle crank with SCAT 6.123" rods Icon 745's with a final static comp ratio of 10.5 Heavily worked EQ Magnum heads with 2.08"/1.60" flow 303-304 @ .630" with a min CSA of 2.35" (wasn't easy) Eddy SV with plenum work and port match .5 open spacer Holley 830 or 1000hp with annulars Hydro-roller 108 LSA 250/252 @ .050" .660"/.590" design (not actual) Schoenfeld 1 5/8" 1 3/4" step headers with a 3.5 to 3" hillbilly merge collector. I have a great deal of faith that this combo will produce great power for what it is--What say you Moparts? J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299420 09/07/12 09:59 PM 09/07/12 09:59 PM
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W5DART66 top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,784 PA	603HP 546TQ. What do I win.....

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: W5DART66] #1299421 09/07/12 10:04 PM 09/07/12 10:04 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Don't know yet but soon, very soon. Gotta love ya Brett! I like your guess (more like estimate) on HP but am searching for about 20 more ft/lbs. At this point I am just really curious if I can get the FPS on the small ports down enough to get this many cubes to rpm enough. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: W5DART66] #1299422 09/07/12 10:43 PM 09/07/12 10:43 PM
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emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	Quote: 603HP 546TQ. What do I win..... Hey... That was my guess

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299423 09/07/12 10:44 PM 09/07/12 10:44 PM
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Triple Threat master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,266 Renton Washington	599.9 -Dustin 67 Dart, 9 second, 392" G3 Hemi 68 Barracuda 340 F/SA

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299424 09/07/12 11:06 PM 09/07/12 11:06 PM
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Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	so a couple are thinking along the lines of 1.45 hp/ cube. i would expect a bit less, more like 1.2hp/ cube. small HR cam with a small port will make great torque. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299425 09/07/12 11:13 PM 09/07/12 11:13 PM
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goldmember master G Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,501 Gainesville,FL	570hp/540ftlbs.

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Performance Only] #1299426 09/07/12 11:16 PM 09/07/12 11:16 PM
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W5DART66 top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,784 PA	Quote: so a couple are thinking along the lines of 1.45 hp/ cube. i would expect a bit less, more like 1.2hp/ cube. small HR cam with a small port will make great torque. I say small port makes poor TQ (peek) and just not good for much of anything air speed in port just kills HP AND TQ. I may have been tick aggressive on both my numbers on Robs dyno but I bet he gets close to the 600 HP.

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: W5DART66] #1299427 09/08/12 08:37 AM 09/08/12 08:37 AM
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Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	Quote: Quote: so a couple are thinking along the lines of 1.45 hp/ cube. i would expect a bit less, more like 1.2hp/ cube. small HR cam with a small port will make great torque. I say small port makes poor TQ (peek) and just not good for much of anything air speed in port just kills HP AND TQ. I may have been tick aggressive on both my numbers on Robs dyno but I bet he gets close to the 600 HP. maybe i should have clarified what i said about making great torque by saying it will make great torque down low (2500-4000) the small port will surely hurt it. as far as what it makes on the dyno, i hope it does well and he backs it up at the track. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Performance Only] #1299428 09/08/12 08:40 AM 09/08/12 08:40 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	I am not sure if I will reach the 600hp benchmark with these heads; however, I am confident it will come very very close. Dan--What would you consider a large hydraulic roller? J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299429 09/08/12 08:44 AM 09/08/12 08:44 AM
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Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	Quote: I am not sure if I will reach the 600hp benchmark with these heads; however, I am confident it will come very very close. Dan--What would you consider a large hydraulic roller? J.Rob mid 260's and above. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299430 09/08/12 09:37 AM 09/08/12 09:37 AM
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fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	i'd say low 500's comp is real low

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: fishy340] #1299431 09/08/12 09:45 AM 09/08/12 09:45 AM
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W5DART66 top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,784 PA	Quote: i'd say low 500's comp is real low My engine masters 390 CI made 660 with 10.75to1...

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: W5DART66] #1299432 09/08/12 11:15 AM 09/08/12 11:15 AM
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Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: W5DART66] #1299433 09/08/12 11:26 AM 09/08/12 11:26 AM
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fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	Quote: Quote: i'd say low 500's comp is real low My engine masters 390 CI made 660 with 10.75to1... o yea my indy junk made 700 w 950 carb on 93 octane na na lol

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: W5DART66] #1299434 09/08/12 11:36 AM 09/08/12 11:36 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Quote: i'd say low 500's comp is real low My engine masters 390 CI made 660 with 10.75to1... Rub it in why dontcha? Just mocked up valvetrain--I'm impressed, actual lift at retainer is .663"/.590". J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299435 09/08/12 01:07 PM 09/08/12 01:07 PM
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Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	555Hp and 530Tq. Brian Hafliger

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1299436 09/08/12 02:17 PM 09/08/12 02:17 PM
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Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1299437 09/08/12 02:45 PM 09/08/12 02:45 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: 555Hp and 530Tq. I sincerely hope you're wrong! J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Grizzly] #1299438 09/08/12 02:46 PM 09/08/12 02:46 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: 540 hp 480 lb/ft tq A stock stroke 360 can easily surpass 480 ft/lbs. I hope I didn't just step on my duck. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299439 09/08/12 02:50 PM 09/08/12 02:50 PM
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Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Quote: Quote: 555Hp and 530Tq. I sincerely hope you're wrong! J.Rob Lets just say that I'm sure the potential to get close to 600Hp is there...I guess it depends on the dyno to. On our dyno I would expect 555 or so. On a Superflow I'd think maybe 575...Stuska I'd expect 600! Brian Hafliger

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1299440 09/08/12 06:36 PM 09/08/12 06:36 PM
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BPE mopar Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 458 Michigan	I will say 583 hp and 552 tq. But whatever the numbers are I hope it does what you want in the car. Rod

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299441 09/08/12 07:54 PM 09/08/12 07:54 PM
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fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	its gonna be stout either way...best of luck and have fun

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1299442 09/08/12 08:29 PM 09/08/12 08:29 PM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: 555Hp and 530Tq. I sincerely hope you're wrong! J.Rob Lets just say that I'm sure the potential to get close to 600Hp is there...I guess it depends on the dyno to. On our dyno I would expect 555 or so. On a Superflow I'd think maybe 575...Stuska I'd expect 600! Alot of people argue over happy dynos low dynos and lets not forget the infamous track. I would like to know. If a car is not sorted out properly does the MPH dictate what ET you would be able to run with a good car? Does the MPH stay constant (to a degree) even if the ET is lacking??

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299443 09/08/12 09:11 PM 09/08/12 09:11 PM
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Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	We race CARS, so it only makes sense, to me anyway, that the car needs to be as good as the engine, trans, etc... So if you don't pay alot of attention to things that help mph like front end alignment, tires, pressure, oil viscosity, brake drag, and such your not going to get all you can. It's easy to say on the net that your cars mph is xxx but what it takes to achieve that is probably not so easy. Truth is different dyno brands will show different #'s...hell same brand dyno's can show different #'s depending on so many things. Just like flow benches. In the end, what the car runs is also dependant on many many things. I see alot of customers that want a certain mph or e.t. but may not be willing to work on the car until they get it...if they buy an engine they figure it's the engine builders responsibility to make their car meet their expectations. Brian Hafliger

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299444 09/08/12 09:30 PM 09/08/12 09:30 PM
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Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	I think you are a little short on duration and/or compression to get any more than around 550 lbs-ft If you have valve springs that will let you keep things stable to a high enough rpm,you might get a little over 600 hp. Might take a higher rpm than you can get with a stiffly sprung hydraulic though Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1299445 09/09/12 08:32 PM 09/09/12 08:32 PM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Heres my 580 HP and 560 TQ.

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299446 09/09/12 09:21 PM 09/09/12 09:21 PM
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Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Quote: Quote: 555Hp and 530Tq. I sincerely hope you're wrong! J.Rob It wouldn't be the FIRST time!! Brian Hafliger

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299447 09/10/12 08:32 AM 09/10/12 08:32 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Heres my 580 HP and 560 TQ. Matt, you and Dunnuck racing are right in line with what I think. I should have it together and on the pump by this weekend. This is my 2012 EMC entry, It is NOT a real serious effort-that will be for next year. IF the world doesn't explode or something--hahaha. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299448 09/10/12 09:08 AM 09/10/12 09:08 AM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: Heres my 580 HP and 560 TQ. Matt, you and Dunnuck racing are right in line with what I think. I should have it together and on the pump by this weekend. This is my 2012 EMC entry, It is NOT a real serious effort-that will be for next year. IF the world doesn't explode or something--hahaha. J.Rob I think I would like to help you out if it not a big block. We be in touch with you soon. Matt BTW nice job on the EQ heads. You should digitized the Port get that boat anchor working. LOL Nice to see some serious effort with non exotic parts. Last edited by MattW; 09/10/12 09:21 AM.

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299449 09/10/12 06:55 PM 09/10/12 06:55 PM
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mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,414 Toronto	what kind of rpms do you think this engine is going to turn? or what are you feeling is safe with that hydraulic roller?

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: mshred] #1299450 09/10/12 10:05 PM 09/10/12 10:05 PM
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Wedgeman pro stock W Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,522 Ste-Sophie, Quebec, Canada	I had a very similar combo 2 years ago.... Let's not forget a dyno is only a dyno, it will not tell you how fast you will be going...or how quick your car will respond.... May be a bit short on cam duration, but my realistic guess will be 475hp and 480lbs tq at 4800rpm you have very good quench with those pistons, so a very efficient combustion chamber... One way or another, you'll have plenty of fun !! Dan '67 Barrcuda 6.75 1/8 mile 1970 SUper Bee

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: mshred] #1299451 09/11/12 08:31 AM 09/11/12 08:31 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: what kind of rpms do you think this engine is going to turn? or what are you feeling is safe with that hydraulic roller? This engine HAS to turn 6700 rpm or it won't qualify in Ohio. I have had plenty of experience with hydraulic rollers and zero issues with that kind of rpm level. The Scorpion lifters I am using this year are incredibly nice looking with a pushrod seat that is half an inch .5" higher than their solid rollers. The pushrod length on this particular combo is 7.2"--fairly short. With a set of PAC 1255's the rpm of 6700 should not be a problem. Whether or not it makes any meaningful power up there may be.J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299452 09/11/12 01:35 PM 09/11/12 01:35 PM
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79410aspenrt enthusiast 7 Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 250 Saskatchewan (SK)	568 hp @ 6200 rpm and 558 ftlbs @ 4200 rpm.

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: 79410aspenrt] #1299453 09/11/12 03:02 PM 09/11/12 03:02 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: 568 hp @ 6200 rpm and 558 ftlbs @ 4200 rpm. I think this is real close

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1299454 09/11/12 03:32 PM 09/11/12 03:32 PM
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B3422W5 I Live Here B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,709 Portage,michigan	I think the "big" intake, and low compression will hurt torque more than most on here seem to think, but i am usually wrong...lol Gonna say it will make " dragstrip" power equal to having 540 horsepower and 525 torque. Dyno is so subjective it can say anything. I would guess in a full weight 3300 pound A body its a 10.70-80 ish( 124 mph) motor in front of a 727. 69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: B3422W5] #1299455 09/11/12 04:01 PM 09/11/12 04:01 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: I think the "big" intake, and low compression will hurt torque more than most on here seem to think, but i am usually wrong...lol Gonna say it will make " dragstrip" power equal to having 540 horsepower and 525 torque. Dyno is so subjective it can say anything. I would guess in a full weight 3300 pound A body its a 10.70-80 ish( 124 mph) motor in front of a 727. The dyno's in Ohio @ UNOH are not really subjective. There is no hiding behind "rigged" dyno results down there. Thanks for the input though--we will see real soon. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299456 09/11/12 06:53 PM 09/11/12 06:53 PM
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mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,414 Toronto	Quote: Quote: what kind of rpms do you think this engine is going to turn? or what are you feeling is safe with that hydraulic roller? This engine HAS to turn 6700 rpm or it won't qualify in Ohio. I have had plenty of experience with hydraulic rollers and zero issues with that kind of rpm level. The Scorpion lifters I am using this year are incredibly nice looking with a pushrod seat that is half an inch .5" higher than their solid rollers. The pushrod length on this particular combo is 7.2"--fairly short. With a set of PAC 1255's the rpm of 6700 should not be a problem. Whether or not it makes any meaningful power up there may be.J.Rob What's the highest rpms you have turned with the hydraulic rollers? do you always use the Scorpion lifters?

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299457 09/11/12 11:02 PM 09/11/12 11:02 PM
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Evil Spirit master Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,699 Newport, Mi	I think here's the weakest link. Put my guess in the 560HP/530TQ range. Schoenfeld 1 5/8" 1 3/4" step headers with a 3.5 to 3" hillbilly merge Free advice and worth every penny... Factory trained Slinky rewinder.........

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Evil Spirit] #1299458 09/12/12 02:31 AM 09/12/12 02:31 AM
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B3422W5 I Live Here B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,709 Portage,michigan	Arrington claims 630 ponies out of a 426 inch gen 3 using a much bigger hydraulic roller, little more compression, and a way better head that goes 370 cfm and a drag pack intake. I didn't mean to imply dyno numbers aren't good for comparing different motors on same dunk, but same motor on different dyno can yield way different results that mean nothing except for tuning and checking for leaks 69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Evil Spirit] #1299459 09/12/12 07:26 AM 09/12/12 07:26 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: I think here's the weakest link. Put my guess in the 560HP/530TQ range. Schoenfeld 1 5/8" 1 3/4" step headers with a 3.5 to 3" hillbilly merge Consider it noted. I think your guess is quite sound according to my experience with the 4" arm combo. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: mshred] #1299460 09/12/12 07:31 AM 09/12/12 07:31 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Quote: Quote: what kind of rpms do you think this engine is going to turn? or what are you feeling is safe with that hydraulic roller? This engine HAS to turn 6700 rpm or it won't qualify in Ohio. I have had plenty of experience with hydraulic rollers and zero issues with that kind of rpm level. The Scorpion lifters I am using this year are incredibly nice looking with a pushrod seat that is half an inch .5" higher than their solid rollers. The pushrod length on this particular combo is 7.2"--fairly short. With a set of PAC 1255's the rpm of 6700 should not be a problem. Whether or not it makes any meaningful power up there may be.J.Rob What's the highest rpms you have turned with the hydraulic rollers? do you always use the Scorpion lifters? The highest I have turned repetitively is 7000 rpm with hydraulic rollers (Hughes lifters/W2 combo) I always use Scorpion lifters now that I am a dealer. I believe they are made by Johnson Hylift. The laser etching on the lifter body of their solids would indicate that. Scorpion products are real high quality and priced right IMO. I will put up a photo of the lifter. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: B3422W5] #1299461 09/12/12 07:37 AM 09/12/12 07:37 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: I think the "big" intake, and low compression will hurt torque I hope you're wrong about the intake however I don't think you are taking into account the LONG runners. Runner length has a lot of influence on torque production. I built a 10.5 comp 408 in 2002 with really crappy '596 heads/hydraulic flat/Torker/Thermoquad that made 532 ft/lbs and only 465 hp on a Superflow 901. I hope to add about a hundred horses and 25-30 pounds of twist this time. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another -How much HP?--Engine dyno-416 stroker post [Re: B3422W5] #1299462 09/12/12 07:48 AM 09/12/12 07:48 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: I didn't mean to imply dyno numbers aren't good for comparing different motors on same dunk, but same motor on different dyno can yield way different results that mean nothing except for tuning and checking for leaks Totally agree. I could tell you some really good stories about some of my nearby competitors and how they sell HP. Let's just say that I have lost plenty of business by not jacking with numbers when asked to. I have also lost out on repeat business when the engine the customer built did not produce the output they "THOUGHT" it should. I also have a few really loyal customers that understand how a dyno should be used and love not being deceived. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another -How much HP?--Engine dyno-416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299463 09/12/12 08:02 AM 09/12/12 08:02 AM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: I didn't mean to imply dyno numbers aren't good for comparing different motors on same dunk, but same motor on different dyno can yield way different results that mean nothing except for tuning and checking for leaks Totally agree. I could tell you some really good stories about some of my nearby competitors and how they sell HP. Let's just say that I have lost plenty of business by not jacking with numbers when asked to. I have also lost out on repeat business when the engine the customer built did not produce the output they "THOUGHT" it should. I also have a few really loyal customers that understand how a dyno should be used and love not being deceived. J.Rob Do you have your own dyno.... from this it sounds like you do

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299464 09/12/12 08:20 AM 09/12/12 08:20 AM
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mshred master M Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,414 Toronto	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: what kind of rpms do you think this engine is going to turn? or what are you feeling is safe with that hydraulic roller? This engine HAS to turn 6700 rpm or it won't qualify in Ohio. I have had plenty of experience with hydraulic rollers and zero issues with that kind of rpm level. The Scorpion lifters I am using this year are incredibly nice looking with a pushrod seat that is half an inch .5" higher than their solid rollers. The pushrod length on this particular combo is 7.2"--fairly short. With a set of PAC 1255's the rpm of 6700 should not be a problem. Whether or not it makes any meaningful power up there may be.J.Rob What's the highest rpms you have turned with the hydraulic rollers? do you always use the Scorpion lifters? The highest I have turned repetitively is 7000 rpm with hydraulic rollers (Hughes lifters/W2 combo) I always use Scorpion lifters now that I am a dealer. I believe they are made by Johnson Hylift. The laser etching on the lifter body of their solids would indicate that. Scorpion products are real high quality and priced right IMO. I will put up a photo of the lifter. J.Rob A picture of the lifter would be cool...thanks

Re: Another -How much HP?--Engine dyno-416 stroker post [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1299465 09/12/12 10:26 AM 09/12/12 10:26 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Quote: Quote: I didn't mean to imply dyno numbers aren't good for comparing different motors on same dunk, but same motor on different dyno can yield way different results that mean nothing except for tuning and checking for leaks Totally agree. I could tell you some really good stories about some of my nearby competitors and how they sell HP. Let's just say that I have lost plenty of business by not jacking with numbers when asked to. I have also lost out on repeat business when the engine the customer built did not produce the output they "THOUGHT" it should. I also have a few really loyal customers that understand how a dyno should be used and love not being deceived. J.Rob Do you have your own dyno.... from this it sounds like you do Yes--SF902 new in June 2009 with an exhaust system that seems to keep it REAL J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another -How much HP?--Engine dyno-416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299466 09/12/12 12:03 PM 09/12/12 12:03 PM
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79410aspenrt enthusiast 7 Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 250 Saskatchewan (SK)	Jesse, What are your plans for this engine? Keep it, sell it, race it?

Re: Another -How much HP?--Engine dyno-416 stroker post [Re: 79410aspenrt] #1299467 09/12/12 12:16 PM 09/12/12 12:16 PM
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MIKES_DUSTER master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,146 Now - Port Orange,Fla. Former...	Well,whats the results????

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299468 09/12/12 12:16 PM 09/12/12 12:16 PM
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Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Quote: Quote: I think here's the weakest link. Put my guess in the 560HP/530TQ range. Schoenfeld 1 5/8" 1 3/4" step headers with a 3.5 to 3" hillbilly merge Consider it noted. I think your guess is quite sound according to my experience with the 4" arm combo. J.Rob I don't think the header size is that big of a deal. Everybody thinks they need a 1 7/8" header with a striker but I usually see a huge hole in the torque curve with them. The extra couple of horsepower up top with bigger headers may not be worth the loss down low..... www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: Another -How much HP?--Engine dyno-416 stroker post [Re: 79410aspenrt] #1299469 09/12/12 01:13 PM 09/12/12 01:13 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Jesse, What are your plans for this engine? Keep it, sell it, race it? Don't know yet. How'd your W2's turn out? J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another -How much HP?--Engine dyno-416 stroker post [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1299470 09/12/12 01:14 PM 09/12/12 01:14 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Well,whats the results???? Don't know yet? Soon this weekend or early next week. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1299471 09/12/12 01:15 PM 09/12/12 01:15 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Quote: Quote: I think here's the weakest link. Put my guess in the 560HP/530TQ range. Schoenfeld 1 5/8" 1 3/4" step headers with a 3.5 to 3" hillbilly merge Consider it noted. I think your guess is quite sound according to my experience with the 4" arm combo. J.Rob I don't think the header size is that big of a deal. Everybody thinks they need a 1 7/8" header with a striker but I usually see a huge hole in the torque curve with them. The extra couple of horsepower up top with bigger headers may not be worth the loss down low..... Definately not worth the loss down low or worse a hole in the TQ curve. Hope your right. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299472 09/12/12 01:35 PM 09/12/12 01:35 PM
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Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	Would not be the first time if I'm wrong! Best of luck to you,sounds like a nice piece! Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: Another -How much HP?--Engine dyno-416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299473 09/12/12 01:52 PM 09/12/12 01:52 PM
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79410aspenrt enthusiast 7 Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 250 Saskatchewan (SK)	Quote: Quote: Jesse, What are your plans for this engine? Keep it, sell it, race it? Don't know yet. How'd your W2's turn out? J.Rob I haven't done nothing with my w2's. I will wait till the season is over to do anything. I'm having a hard time deciding what to do, stroke out my x block or use spray on my current set up. Sorry to hijack your thread and talk about my stuff.

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299474 09/14/12 11:33 AM 09/14/12 11:33 AM
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BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: Quote: 555Hp and 530Tq. I sincerely hope you're wrong! J.Rob After looking over your specs, I don't think Brian's too far off. But I'm basing my opinion on some big-block testing I've done, rather than any first-hand small-block experience. So, how soon will you have the engine on the dyno?

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: BradH] #1299475 09/14/12 12:42 PM 09/14/12 12:42 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Quote: Quote: 555Hp and 530Tq. I sincerely hope you're wrong! J.Rob After looking over your specs, I don't think Brian's too far off. But I'm basing my opinion on some big-block testing I've done, rather than any first-hand small-block experience. So, how soon will you have the engine on the dyno? No I don't think he's far off either, I'm just hoping against hope. Ya know Quantum Entanglement and all that. I will have it running Tuesday night--Won't have the head gaskets till Monday afternoon. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another -How much HP?--Engine dyno-416 * Update * [Re: MIKES_DUSTER] #1299476 09/19/12 08:26 AM 09/19/12 08:26 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Well,whats the results???? I was only able to make one partial pull and ran out of fuel. The torque is a little weak yet. The HP peaks at a much higher RPM AND holds it better than I was expecting. So that's good. I am hoping to pick up 15+ ft/lbs and 20 hp with some tuning and work. J.Rob 7385625-EMC41700250.jpg (103 downloads) 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another -How much HP?--Engine dyno-416 * Update * [Re: RAMM] #1299477 09/19/12 08:27 AM 09/19/12 08:27 AM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Here's the actual mill in the cell. J.Rob 7385626-EMC41750.jpg (89 downloads) 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299478 09/19/12 09:05 AM 09/19/12 09:05 AM
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Grizzly Moparts Proctologist Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,999 Salem	Quote: Quote: 540 hp 480 lb/ft tq A stock stroke 360 can easily surpass 480 ft/lbs. I hope I didn't just step on my duck. J.Rob So you got into "stock stroke 360" territory? Congrats. Mo' Farts Moderated by "tbagger".

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: BPE] #1299479 09/19/12 09:11 AM 09/19/12 09:11 AM
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BPE mopar Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 458 Michigan	Quote: I will say 583 hp and 552 tq. But whatever the numbers are I hope it does what you want in the car. Rod Well if you get your extra 20 hp and 15 ft.lbs. My guess was pretty much dead on. Rod

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: BPE] #1299480 09/19/12 10:45 AM 09/19/12 10:45 AM
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Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	If your A/F readings are anywhere close to accurate,there is quite a bit of power to be gained yet. Looks like the valvetrain is working good at the rpm you ran it to,I'm confident you will get it sorted out! Keith www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1299481 09/19/12 05:30 PM 09/19/12 05:30 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Picked up some fresh pump 91 and pulled it a few more times. Current new bests are 570 hp and 556 ft/lbs. I haven't found the sweet spot with timing yet --I think it wants 2 degrees more. I have to find best timing, add the mufflers, play with lifter pre load and try a .5" spacer. So far it's pretty stout for a 10.3 comp small block. It has almost 460 ft/lbs @ 2500 rpm but has a bit of lull in the curve, I'm hoping the mufflers help this some. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299482 09/19/12 06:22 PM 09/19/12 06:22 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,872 Weddington, N.C.	I'm thinking the old Victor 340 might work a little better with the smallish cam/ports and CR great motor! WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299483 09/19/12 08:28 PM 09/19/12 08:28 PM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Picked up some fresh pump 91 and pulled it a few more times. Current new bests are 570 hp and 556 ft/lbs. I haven't found the sweet spot with timing yet --I think it wants 2 degrees more. I have to find best timing, add the mufflers, play with lifter pre load and try a .5" spacer. So far it's pretty stout for a 10.3 comp small block. It has almost 460 ft/lbs @ 2500 rpm but has a bit of lull in the curve, I'm hoping the mufflers help this some. J.Rob Nice Job Jesse!!!! You need another 10 hp and 4 ft/lbs and I win. By the way what do I win again? Matt

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299484 09/19/12 08:48 PM 09/19/12 08:48 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	I believe another 10 hp and at least 5 ft/lbs will be attainable. I can offer you a Get out of Jail free card. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299485 09/19/12 09:58 PM 09/19/12 09:58 PM
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emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	What was the carb set up?

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: emarine01] #1299486 09/20/12 08:05 PM 09/20/12 08:05 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: What was the carb set up? The carb set up was a Holley 830 hp. This was the set up today. J.Rob 7387871-EZE50.jpg (73 downloads) 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299487 09/20/12 08:06 PM 09/20/12 08:06 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	How do you think the self learning EZE -EFI did? J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299488 09/20/12 08:17 PM 09/20/12 08:17 PM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	I will say withing 10 hp.

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299489 09/20/12 08:42 PM 09/20/12 08:42 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: I will say withing 10 hp. Which way? Up or down? J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299490 09/20/12 09:08 PM 09/20/12 09:08 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Overall I'm impressed with the FAST EZE-EFI. It did everything it was supposed to do (and a few other things too) Here it is. J.Rob 7388027-EZEdynosheet.jpg (166 downloads) 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1299491 09/20/12 09:12 PM 09/20/12 09:12 PM
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Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Quote: Lets just say that I'm sure the potential to get close to 600Hp is there...I guess it depends on the dyno to. On our dyno I would expect 555 or so. On a Superflow I'd think maybe 575...Stuska I'd expect 600! That's a superflow right?? Brian Hafliger

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299492 09/20/12 09:31 PM 09/20/12 09:31 PM
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W5DART66 top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,784 PA	Quote: Overall I'm impressed with the FAST EZE-EFI. It did everything it was supposed to do (and a few other things I would like to see the cam in advanced 2-4 more if you have not tryed that..... Injection did way better then I thought most of the people that did TB inj. Was way down vs good carb. What rule for carb/ intake this year? ( I am lazy could look it up)

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1299493 09/20/12 10:24 PM 09/20/12 10:24 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Quote: Lets just say that I'm sure the potential to get close to 600Hp is there...I guess it depends on the dyno to. On our dyno I would expect 555 or so. On a Superflow I'd think maybe 575...Stuska I'd expect 600! That's a superflow right?? I'd like to know what you will say when it makes the same @ UNOH on their VERY conservative DTS dyno's blowing through Flowcosters and 13' (yes 13 feet) of exhaust pipe!!? J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: W5DART66] #1299494 09/20/12 10:43 PM 09/20/12 10:43 PM
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RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Quote: Quote: Overall I'm impressed with the FAST EZE-EFI. It did everything it was supposed to do (and a few other things I would like to see the cam in advanced 2-4 more if you have not tryed that..... Injection did way better then I thought most of the people that did TB inj. Was way down vs good carb. What rule for carb/ intake this year? ( I am lazy could look it up) The cam is already in @ 101.5 I have plenty of PV clearance but have no interest in that. If this were a stout piece within 50 points of a top 5 then YES--It ain't. They went back to the 2010 rules---hydro cams for all STREET and single planes for injection only. Dual planes ONLY for carbs. Like you Brett--I was expecting a severe penalty with the TBI. I'm not all that impressed UNTIL you take into consideration the STOCK replacement EQ heads, the 10.3 compression, hydro cam, the TBI, etc.... The thing that really does get my attention is the RPM range. It takes some work to get a 417 cube engine to make almost 580 hp @ 6000-6100 rpm and hold it only to drop 8 hp all the way up to 6500 rpm. (Heck my stock stroke build with these castings didn't do that well) When I committed to this build the idea was to SEE how much rpm a cast iron $600/pr set of cylinder heads on a 4" stroke small block could support. In a word I am SURPRISED. I have a fully prepped and assembled set of W2's I could drop on and I'm sure the HP would come up substantially, but I won't because I'm a (Do more with less kind of guy). J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299495 09/20/12 11:18 PM 09/20/12 11:18 PM
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Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	will this combo ever see the race track? i'd really like to see the track back up the dyno numbers. that would be great. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Performance Only] #1299496 09/20/12 11:31 PM 09/20/12 11:31 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North RAMM OP super stock
RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	It probably will actually. Although I'm not sure when. You see, I've been doing this EMC thing since 2009 and I have sold every engine or engines using most of the same components used in the contest. To be honest--Yes, I think it will make it to the track and I will report the results good or bad--no excuses. I think it will run a low 11. But wait!! Is that in a JR. dragster or in a full body door slammer. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299497 09/21/12 12:23 AM 09/21/12 12:23 AM
Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida P Performance Only top fuel
Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	Quote: I think it will run a low 11. But wait!! Is that in a JR. dragster or in a full body door slammer. J.Rob it won't matter, honest weight and MPH will be the tell all. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299498 09/21/12 11:26 AM 09/21/12 11:26 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal Brian Hafliger master
Brian Hafliger master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Quote: Quote: Quote: Lets just say that I'm sure the potential to get close to 600Hp is there...I guess it depends on the dyno to. On our dyno I would expect 555 or so. On a Superflow I'd think maybe 575...Stuska I'd expect 600! That's a superflow right?? I'd like to know what you will say when it makes the same @ UNOH on their VERY conservative DTS dyno's blowing through Flowcosters and 13' (yes 13 feet) of exhaust pipe!!? J.Rob You know better than I do, since I never made it in '09! I would love to know how my dyno compares to their dyno. I enjoyed participating in that flow around on Speedtalk.com...my bench was real close to Meaux's which is what I was MOST interested in. Good luck this year, hope you give them hell!! Engine looks like it's working well. Did you get the chance to flow that TB on the EZ kit? Brian Hafliger

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Brian Hafliger] #1299499 09/21/12 03:23 PM 09/21/12 03:23 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North RAMM OP super stock
RAMM OP super stock Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,051 The Great White North	Thanks Brian. It won't be enough to give anything or anyone hell, just make a little noise is all. No I didn't flow the TB but I will when I get back. J.Rob 2009 PHR\EMC Competitor 2010 PHR\EMC Competitor 2011 PHR\EMC Competitor 2012 PHR\EMC Competitor 2013 PHR\EMC Competitor 2014 HotRod/EMC Competitor 2015 HotRod/EMC NoShow 2016 HotRod/EMC 3rd place SPEC Bigblock 2018 HotRod/EMC 7th place G3

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: MattW] #1299500 09/21/12 08:24 PM 09/21/12 08:24 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: 555Hp and 530Tq. I sincerely hope you're wrong! J.Rob Lets just say that I'm sure the potential to get close to 600Hp is there...I guess it depends on the dyno to. On our dyno I would expect 555 or so. On a Superflow I'd think maybe 575...Stuska I'd expect 600! Alot of people argue over happy dynos low dynos and lets not forget the infamous track. I would like to know. If a car is not sorted out properly does the MPH dictate what ET you would be able to run with a good car? Does the MPH stay constant (to a degree) even if the ET is lacking?? Matt

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: Performance Only] #1299501 09/21/12 08:25 PM 09/21/12 08:25 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: I think it will run a low 11. But wait!! Is that in a JR. dragster or in a full body door slammer. J.Rob it won't matter, honest weight and MPH will be the tell all. Maybe you could shed some light on my previous post that I bump?

Re: Another --How much HP?---Engine dyno--416 stroker post [Re: RAMM] #1299502 09/21/12 08:28 PM 09/21/12 08:28 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Overall I'm impressed with the FAST EZE-EFI. It did everything it was supposed to do (and a few other things too) Here it is. J.Rob Hey Jesse what happen to the rest of the numbers?

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