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Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: Labratt] #1288982
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Hi,Gary! Yes!..Steff replaced the section under the steering box...and reinforced it. Gary..would dropping the pinion angle from 5* to 7* help anything? Thanks! I think down the road,I'm going to have you check EVERYTHING out and advise me on what can be done to optomize my set-up!




I only did the front. The back still needs alot of attention.

Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: Sport440] #1288983
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I'm sure it will dip into the 10's with the increased power. I bet the 60 ft times improve as well with the added compression and head flow.


Ron




No problem!




x2. And with a bit of sensible tuning also!



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Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1288984
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Randy, I agree with Gary. Work on optimizing what you have and you will be very happy. Some good chassis tuning and track tuning on the motor and you will have a sweet ride, especially with the new paint. But if you change your mind.....


Randy

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Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: mopar65] #1288986
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Thanks everyone! Like Steff stated..."the back frame needs some attention" He's referring to the rear of the car being weak...due to some frame-rail rot. Unfortunately,I was on a tight deadline to get the car to the painter...or I would have had him repair it then. It definately has to be addressed in the near-future! Again...thanks for all your opinions,and information! Randy B.

Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: Labratt] #1288987
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If the rear rails are not in the best shape and allowing flex, that will definitely eat up power that could be used for going forward. Get that thing gusseted up!

Clamp the front segments and loosen up the rears. May not help with the rails in rough shape...

Keep chipping away at it and set a goal in the low 1.40's.

Good luck with it.

Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: RobX4406] #1288988
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Thanks,Rob! I plan on having Steff gusset the frame rails over the winter...or next Spring.

Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: Labratt] #1288989
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Love the car, wish my GTX looked anywhere close to yours!

I'd also probably put more converter in it. That's just me!

Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: Labratt] #1288990
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Thanks everyone! Like Steff stated..."the back frame needs some attention" He's referring to the rear of the car being weak...due to some frame-rail rot. Unfortunately,I was on a tight deadline to get the car to the painter...or I would have had him repair it then. It definately has to be addressed in the near-future! Again...thanks for all your opinions,and information! Randy B.





Gusset it or use "box type" steel to replace the rear frame. Your traction woes will be drastically
reduced and the 60 ft times will go down. Once your car is "hooking" off the line well (and consistent) THEN start tuning for speed.



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Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: HYPER8oSoNic] #1288991
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Thanks Rob..Ron! Steff's a real sharp guy!..he'll know exactly what should be done to fix my problem! As far as converters go...more than a few people suggested I go to a looser 8" unit,but I don't know....I've had GREAT luck with my 9.5" Dynamic! But...I'm thinking,since everything's still apart,and not installed in the car yet..could be a possibility!..but only if I were to sell my Dynamic first!

Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: Labratt] #1288992
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All I can say is you got a better motor than us. and weight close to the same and we run 11.00s alot ?

Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: VernMotor] #1288993
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Vern!...that's because you're a darn mechanic..and do a GREAT job with tuning that Coronet! And...you have Jenny as a driver!...nuff' said!

Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: Labratt] #1288994
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Thanks Rob..Ron! Steff's a real sharp guy!..he'll know exactly what should be done to fix my problem! As far as converters go...more than a few people suggested I go to a looser 8" unit,but I don't know....I've had GREAT luck with my 9.5" Dynamic! But...I'm thinking,since everything's still apart,and not installed in the car yet..could be a possibility!..but only if I were to sell my Dynamic first!




Converter def. is a big part of your 60' I run a coan 8" with around 5000 flash speed. Suprisingly it drives on the street better then my last 9.5" 4000 converter I had in it. I love my coan .


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Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: dragram440] #1288995
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Thanks Rob..Ron! Steff's a real sharp guy!..he'll know exactly what should be done to fix my problem! As far as converters go...more than a few people suggested I go to a looser 8" unit,but I don't know....I've had GREAT luck with my 9.5" Dynamic! But...I'm thinking,since everything's still apart,and not installed in the car yet..could be a possibility!..but only if I were to sell my Dynamic first!




Converter def. is a big part of your 60' I run a coan 8" with around 5000 flash speed. Suprisingly it drives on the street better then my last 9.5" 4000 converter I had in it. I love my coan .






I have a 8" Coan in mine also. Really surprised with it's street manners.
Drives like there's a 10" street vert in there but will flash to 5K on command

Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: roadhazard] #1288996
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Thanks for the info,fellers! I just might be re-thinking my converter choices! ANYBODY need a perfectly good 9.5" Dynamic???

Re: HORSEPOWER NEEDED TO RUN 10.8-10.9'S ??? [Re: Labratt] #1288997
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FWIW, I run a 9.5" Dynamic...

My $.02: stop swapping out more parts before you've even had a chance to see what the new combination does.

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Thanks Rob..Ron! Steff's a real sharp guy!..he'll know exactly what should be done to fix my problem! As far as converters go...more than a few people suggested I go to a looser 8" unit,but I don't know....I've had GREAT luck with my 9.5" Dynamic! But...I'm thinking,since everything's still apart,and not installed in the car yet..could be a possibility!..but only if I were to sell my Dynamic first!




As BradH stated, work with what you presently have. Perfect the combo you have by tuning (both chassis and engine)and sound driving techniques meaning "knowing" what the car "likes" and "dislikes". Worry about the parts combo AFTER
you find out from tuning! Money can be "saved" through this approach for the ESSENSIAL parts UPGRADES! Don't FALL into the "Keeping up with the Joneses" approach. Hardly any good results through this method.


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Thanks Rob..Ron! Steff's a real sharp guy!..he'll know exactly what should be done to fix my problem! As far as converters go...more than a few people suggested I go to a looser 8" unit,but I don't know....I've had GREAT luck with my 9.5" Dynamic! But...I'm thinking,since everything's still apart,and not installed in the car yet..could be a possibility!..but only if I were to sell my Dynamic first!




As BradH stated, work with what you presently have. Perfect the combo you have by tuning (both chassis and engine)and sound driving techniques meaning "knowing" what the car "likes" and "dislikes". Worry about the parts combo AFTER
you find out from tuning! Money can be "saved" through this approach for the ESSENSIAL parts UPGRADES! Don't FALL into the "Keeping up with the Joneses" approach. Hardly any good results through this method.




Brad..Ron,points well taken! I'm sure with the improved heads..and Steff re-doing the frame rails,I SHOULD be seeing some 10 second time slips! Now..just gotta put the X back together again!

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Thanks Rob..Ron! Steff's a real sharp guy!..he'll know exactly what should be done to fix my problem! As far as converters go...more than a few people suggested I go to a looser 8" unit,but I don't know....I've had GREAT luck with my 9.5" Dynamic! But...I'm thinking,since everything's still apart,and not installed in the car yet..could be a possibility!..but only if I were to sell my Dynamic first!




As BradH stated, work with what you presently have. Perfect the combo you have by tuning (both chassis and engine)and sound driving techniques meaning "knowing" what the car "likes" and "dislikes". Worry about the parts combo AFTER
you find out from tuning! Money can be "saved" through this approach for the ESSENSIAL parts UPGRADES! Don't FALL into the "Keeping up with the Joneses" approach. Hardly any good results through this method.




Brad..Ron,points well taken! I'm sure with the improved heads..and Steff re-doing the frame rails,I SHOULD be seeing some 10 second time slips! Now..just gotta put the X back together again!




FWIW (Steff may have this in mind already), outside of the frame rail repairs, reinforce the upper rear shock mounts and the area above the nose of the pinion housing, IF you are going to use a pinion snubber. It's to provide a solid contact surface for the snubber (distributes the weight transfer/engine torque shock to the chassis).



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Ron..good ideas! I will definately mention doing BOTH to Steff..when the time comes to fix the rear rails! Thanks!

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