Dry sump or vacuum pump
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Was going to install vacuum pump instead of evac tubes or would switching to dry sump setup be better option. Engine is in pulling truck 470 with iron-1 heads around 750hp a run last around 25 sec at 7000-8000 rpm . wet sump external lines keeps good psi currently. thanks for input
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Re: Dry sump or vacuum pump
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A good vacuum pump system is 1000.00 a good dry sump system is 5000.00
if all you are trying to do is pull vacuum in the motor the the 1 grand deal is the way to go.
If you want a oiling system that don't suck the dry sump system is the way to go.
either way turn your main seal around (put it in backwards) you will get more vacuum.
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Re: Dry sump or vacuum pump
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Dry sump is better all the way around... but the cost... you can get one for about $3500... CV Product sell mostly roundy round stuff but that where I bought mine... I also made most of the stuff like the tank and pan
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Re: Dry sump or vacuum pump
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This is what I'm talking about
That setup looks interesting
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Re: Dry sump or vacuum pump
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This is what I'm talking about
That setup looks interesting
Yes it does.... a billet pan.... that has to COST
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Re: Dry sump or vacuum pump
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peterson r4 pump = 1800.00 peterson tank = 680.00 peterson 400 filter = 200.00 drive system = 500.00 lines and fittings =1000.00 charlies pan = 600.00 plus shipping and tax and you have a good system You can not use a wet sump pan and turn it into a dry sump pan by simply sawing holes in the side and adding fittings. look in a good DRY SUMP pan and you will see the the difference,you are not just sucking oil off the bottom of the pan they call them scavenge sections for a reason. people sell used parts for a reason, buy those used up things and wander why they need a vacuum pump on top of a dry sump pump to make vacuum.You should be able to pull 18 inches of vacuum with a good drysump pump and NO VAC PUMP if not its at the end of its life or it was junk in the first place,If you are going to half a$$ a dry sump system you would be better off using a good wet sump system.
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Depending on how well its sealed and the number of suction sections will determine how much it will pull on the vac.. with mine I can get 13"hg with just the pump... which is plenty of vac
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Yes this is not my first rodeo or dry sump syetem I have had them long enough to where them out.The peterson is the one that works the best(schavenges correctly) I just dont see why you would mess with it if it was not at its full potential.I know to buy a pump that is sized (number of stages)correctly to get proper vacuum but the first timers dont, thats why its important to talk to the makers of dry sump pumps when you are green so you dont build a bomb. just because it sucks and blowes doesen't make it a good hooker
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Re: Dry sump or vacuum pump
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Was going to install vacuum pump instead of evac tubes or would switching to dry sump setup be better option. Engine is in pulling truck 470 with iron-1 heads around 750hp a run last around 25 sec at 7000-8000 rpm . wet sump external lines keeps good psi currently. thanks for input
On my old alum. Yates headed 412" SBF, I had a 4-stage setup and also the big enhanced Moroso vac pump. It would pull 10"-12" just spinning it over with a 18v power drill and showing 50psi oil pressure on my Racepak when I'd check it. On a pass at 9200-9400 RPM it would pull 18"-22" vacuum at WOT w/ two Gunz firing. Engine was sealed up well.
Dry sump would always be the way to go if budget allows. Build the system around your needs. As stated, you can piece together a pretty nice system if you look around and not in a hurry. I wouldn't go less than a 4-stage system. Buy the best 4-stage+ pump you can. Keep your eyes open for a Frank Weiss, Auto Verdi or Dailey pump; the best. Peterson's R-4 pump is really nice also. I'd steer clear of the off-shore billet pumps; lots of problems with those. The used parts are out there, just have to look. Use a quality pan.
If you wanted to stay with a wet sump setup buy a really good pan, applicable Star Products Vac pump setup and a Titan Chrysler Pro Series pump.
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This will be a winter upgrade so im in no rush the fab part is not a problem budget is not unlimited but i have been down the road of not doing it right the first time and ends up costing more to get right the thought is instead of spending on a vacuum pump setup and then down the road needing to upgrade to a dry system and have wasted money on vacuum. What do you use to know how many stages/scavenge and presure out
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Re: Dry sump or vacuum pump
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Peterson does make really nice stuff, but they don't have Mopar specific parts. We make the block plates and drive plates for Mopar engines as well as distributor plugs and a few other items. www.arengineering.com then click on dry sump.
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