Does psi compression relate to compression ratio?
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I'm looking at a car with 120-125psi compression on each cylinder and I've never thought of this question before so I'm askin' it here.
Does that PSI compression translate into a compression ratio? Like does 9.5:1 = XXX psi?
Thanks, -Art
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Re: Does psi compression relate to compression ratio?
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No , cam timing bleeds off or builds pressure , that 125 says it's probably less that 9 though .
Holy contradiction batman! You say no, then offer a compression ratio from the numbers.
Cannot guess what the actual compression ratio is unless you know several things, like the camshaft specs. Is it a stock 2bbl cam or a snazzy racing cam? Is the cam timing retarded or advanced? Is this a running engine or non runner with a jumped timing chain? Lots of questions, need more information.
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Re: Does psi compression relate to compression ratio?
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No , cam timing bleeds off or builds pressure , that 125 says it's probably less that 9 though .
Holy contradiction batman! You say no, then offer a compression ratio from the numbers.
No not really, considering how Chrysler gave out bogus advertised compression ratios to begin with its not hard to surmise that most engines actual are below 9 to begin with .
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Re: Does psi compression relate to compression ratio?
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Dad's Pontiac engine has 220 PSI cranking pressure and it is about 10.1:1. It has Rhoads lifters and those really goof the static numbers. My 340 that has true 10.8:1 and has cranking compression of 125 to 130 PSI. It has the older, more radical 340 manual trans cam. And my old 2.2 turbo with about 8.4:1 had 130 PSI. I had a relatively zero overlap cam in it. So no, the numbers you get can't really tell you much other than how one cylinder relates to its brothers and sisters. :)
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Re: Does psi compression relate to compression ratio?
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My 10.3-1 340 with a 474 cam has 165 psi cranking pressure on all 8 cyls!
Almost exactly the same as mine...except it's a 360.
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Re: Does psi compression relate to compression ratio?
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Short answer: the computer program Engine Analyzer 3.2 does a pretty good job of taking every thing into account and calculating a cranking compression PSI http://performancetrends.com/download.htm#ea3Long answer: If the camshaft closed the exhaust valve at top dead center and the intake valve at bottom dead center And The rings leaked no air And The cylinder head, bore walls and piston were perfect insulators And There was no humidity in the air the engine drew in And you knew the "ratio of the specific heats" of the air that is given the nickname Gamma, ... Then you could calculate the compression PSI by hand with a modestly complicated "Power Law" math equation Details of this at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process#Example_of_adiabatic_compressionIt is inaccurate to simply multiply the 14.7 PSI of the air around us by the compression ratio of the engine, but that gets less inaccurate the colder And drier the air is. If you were working on snowmobile engines at the South Pole you would not be far off that way.
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Re: Does psi compression relate to compression ratio?
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Thanks, as a rookie it's nice to know the details. Its a stock engine and the published specs say it has 8.5:1 CR. Every cylinder was betw 120-125psi so it sounds like its reasonably healthy. I'm used to 140-145psi so I was concerned about potential issues before buying it. But i did! I will post about it when I get it on the road, it needs new headgaskets and some other work first. Thanks, -Art
65 Satellite hardtop 361/4bbl console 727 2.76 67 Satellite convert 383/2bbl column 727 3.23 67 Lancia Fulvia Sport 1.3 Zagato. Alloy body, 1.3L V4 DOHC 4-spd 67 Lancia Fulvia Rallye 1.3. Alloy panel, 1.3L V4 DOHC 4-spd 71 Alfa Romeo GT Junior 1300 Zagato, 1.3L 4cyl DOHC hemi 5-spd 82 Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5L SOHC hemi V6 5-spd transaxle 75 Maserati Bora US spec 4.9L DOHC hemi V8 5-spd ZF 77 Maserati Khamsin Euro spec 4.9L DOHC hemi V8 5-spd ZF 07 Aston Martin DB9 6.0L DOHC V12 6spd transaxle
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Re: Does psi compression relate to compression ratio?
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No , cam timing bleeds off or builds pressure , that 125 says it's probably less that 9 though .
Holy contradiction batman! You say no, then offer a compression ratio from the numbers.
No not really, considering how Chrysler gave out bogus advertised compression ratios to begin with its not hard to surmise that most engines actual are below 9 to begin with .
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Re: Does psi compression relate to compression ratio?
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