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Options for Vapor separator/Charcoal canister, 74 Ebody #1282996
08/10/12 04:04 PM
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Hey I was wondering what the options are for me. I purchased the replacement fuel tank for this car with the four hoses in the back going to the vapor separator. I want to keep the hose/ separator configuration, but not so sure I want the canister up front in the engine bay. What are my options? (I also purchased the 3/8 sending unit and the 3/8 fuel line)

Re: Options for Vapor separator/Charcoal canister, 74 Ebody [Re: cudabitten] #1282997
08/11/12 11:49 AM
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Just thought I'd bump this on Saturday morning here....any ideas?

Re: Options for Vapor separator/Charcoal canister, 74 Ebody [Re: cudabitten] #1282998
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Just leave it off ,I have in the past , cap off the line or cap it at the tank ???

Re: Options for Vapor separator/Charcoal canister, 74 Ebody [Re: JohnRR] #1282999
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Just leave it off ,I have in the past , cap off the line or cap it at the tank ???




Thats what I've done too. As long as the tank remains vented (either by a different line or the fuel cap) you're fine

Re: Options for Vapor separator/Charcoal canister, 74 Ebody [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1283000
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The line going up to the charcole canister is the tank vent. You can't just plug that off without venting the tank some other way.

Re: Options for Vapor separator/Charcoal canister, 74 Ebody [Re: burdar] #1283001
08/13/12 11:55 AM
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The line going up to the charcole canister is the tank vent. You can't just plug that off withough venting the tank some other way.






Why cap it off? instead of connecting it to the charcol canister, connect it to the breather on the passenger valve cover, just like they did in 71 with the ECS cars and other's I'm sure.
You will never smell gas in your garage and the tank is always be vented no matter how you park your car with the factory venting. Change it and you will have problems eventually.
If you try to vent through the cap it will leak down the side of your car, that'll look good at the intersections when people look over at your car. If you use one nipple to vent it then it's not vented in every possible way you can park your car. There's only one way to properly vent a stock challenger gas tank.

I just updated my 74 challenger a few weeks ago.
I used suction and return lines for a 70-71 hemi/440 6pak car which got me 3/8" suction and a 1/4" return line. Then I used the vapor vent line for a 73-74 challenger. Used a 3/8" sending unit with a 1/4 return nipple. Now I have retun up front that can be used anyway you want.
Either don't use it and plug it, which I would never recomend, or use the factory vapor separator that bolts to the fuel pump up front( I do) or use it as a return with a electric fuel pump.

Got the lines from Fine lines.

The vent line connects to the rear VS and it goes up by the engine up high so it always above the tank and won't leak gas.


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Re: Options for Vapor separator/Charcoal canister, 74 Ebody [Re: Challenger 1] #1283002
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The vent line for a 71 ECS and the vent line for a 73-74 are both 2 peice lines. Both vent lines stop at hte lower frame rail and then a 2nd line goes from there up to the engine. The 71 2nd line ends right near the rear of the passenger valve cover, then a short hose goes from it to the breather.
Here's my 71, see the capped off line by the blower motor? it connects to the breather and is the vent to my gas tank, higher up than the gas tank.

The later 73-74 vent lines comes up by the engine in front of the passenger valve cover. I can't remember how it get's to the charcol canister from there. I'm going to connect mine to the breather, just haven't done it yet.
If I was to do it again on my next 74 that I'm working on, I'm going to use a 73-74 vent line in the rear and the earlier 2nd vent line in front so it comes up like my 71 car does. Either way it right and up above the gas tank and close enough to connect to the engine crankcase. It don't have to connect through the breather either.


Dang is it me or is Photobucket slow!!! I can't get to my pictures very quickly.

Here's my motor today, You can see the upcapped vent line sticking up behind the heater hose in front of the valve cover.

I have been looking for 2 or 3 nipple breather which I think I have somewhere, just haven't looked real hard yet. I'm not paying big bucks for one from a swap meet or something. I may drill and tap a 1/8" pipe thread in my stock breather and add a 1/4" barbed nipple to connect my vent line if I don't find one.

For now I have just left it open even though some dirt could get in there. Yea I know a 1/4 fuel filter stuck over it may be enough venting capacity. I'm not taking any chances, I want it wide open until I get it connected to the breather.

I have driven this car a lot since I put these lines in and it works great with a stock mechanical fuel pump.

The metal fuel filter that I added was/is a experiment/tempory because it is in addition to the factory filter in the hemi VS bolted to the fuel pump. I'm gonna take it out and go back to a straight line like I ran for over 10 years. It(the second metal filter) didn't give me any trouble even when it got really hot idling in Heath traffic for up to a hour at a time.
I wanted it in there after replacing everything just for a while to protect my perfect running carb. I don't like there because it'll absorb heat where it's at.
Hope all this helps you or someone.

My hemi vapor separator is painted silver, tank tone and has a .057" nitrous jet stuck in the end because the VS had a .042" hole, too big!

I slipped about 18-24" of spark plug wire heat shield over the suction and return line up by the engine before I bolted it to the frame rail to protect it from header heat. That's the red stuff down there.

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Re: Options for Vapor separator/Charcoal canister, 74 Ebody [Re: Challenger 1] #1283003
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I ran a vented fuel cap on my satellite for years. I put a 73 tank into my 74. The venting system was totally different for 74 vs 73 so I just bought an el cheapo plastic locking vented fuel cap. Never had a problem and never leaked fuel.

Re: Options for Vapor separator/Charcoal canister, 74 Ebody [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1283004
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I ran a vented fuel cap on my satellite for years. I put a 73 tank into my 74. The venting system was totally different for 74 vs 73 so I just bought an el cheapo plastic locking vented fuel cap. Never had a problem and never leaked fuel.




That don't make it right or even OK.
I wouldn't want my gas tank vented to the atmosphere nowadays with all the ethanol that is in gasoline nowadays that absorbs water readily.

Re: Options for Vapor separator/Charcoal canister, 74 Ebody [Re: Challenger 1] #1283005
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