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How would you clean up some rusty headers in the car? #1247597
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Any ideas on what i could do to make my rusty TTI headers look better?? The ceramic coating is all but gone now and with the new pipes it looks awful.

I dont have the space or energy with my messed up back to take them off and recoat them so any ideas on what i could do on the car to make them look better??

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One of my young turbo-dude friends turned me on to Bar-be-cue black.may not appeal to you, but you just quickly sand off the surface rust, throw a sheet on anything you need to protect from overspray,and it's easy to touch up if needed every so often.
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Yes i am going to do something that is black to match the rest of the exhaust. That is a good idea with the BBQ paint.


I was also thinking of some sort of header wrap maybe??


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well to wrap it properly, you'll have to take the headers out. clean em' up good, prime then paint with high temp paint, then wrap em up, reinstall. Otherwise you'll run into the same problems


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Re: How would you clean up some rusty headers in the car?





Simple, decide that it's hopeless, remove them and get them refinished properly.


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Simple, decide that it's hopeless, remove them and get them refinished properly.






Hopeless....never!! Not while J.C. Whitney is still in business!

I know that's the right thing to do but not having a garage to work in i need a way to do it fairly quick and easy.....I know what you are going to say...... no such thing!

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Careful with the header wrap it will degrade the pipes way faster than just letting the cancer go how it is.

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Careful with the header wrap it will degrade the pipes way faster than just letting the cancer go how it is.




Is that because it keeps the moisture in the pipes??

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Dont feel bad Stu.. the headers on the 73 are in the same condition.. altho I did spray them with silver paint a few years..

However they still need to come off and I planned to take them to Sandersons.. the next time that its convenient..

BTW.. slightly off subject... Did you know that Ron's place in San Mateo is still in business? I've been leary of going there because Ron was such an ***... but now that he's gone, I'm waiting for feedback from other before I have anything done..

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I would rather see a set of rusty headers then look at a set of rusty headers with paint cover up,IMO.

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I would rather see a set of rusty headers then look at a set of rusty headers with paint cover up,IMO.




We call it "textured"

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BTW.. slightly off subject... Did you know that Ron's place in San Mateo is still in business? I've been leary of going there because Ron was such an ***... but now that he's gone, I'm waiting for feedback from other before I have anything done..




Yes now that Ron passed the place is reopened by my buddies son. So get a quote there and Sandersons too!

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Careful with the header wrap it will degrade the pipes way faster than just letting the cancer go how it is.




Is that because it keeps the moisture in the pipes??




Yes and it also keeps the heat in which is good for keeping gas velocity up and engine bay temp down but speeds up the metal breaking down.

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You could paint them with some high temp POR 15. I used a foam brush to paint some and then ran them up to temp several times and they still look good.


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You could paint them with some high temp POR 15. I used a foam brush to paint some and then ran them up to temp several times and they still look good.





On my 66 Toronado I used a brush and a can of Rust-O-Leum BBQ paint, came out great and cake to touch up if needed.


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Careful with the header wrap it will degrade the pipes way faster than just letting the cancer go how it is. [/quot

Brush suluric acid on the rust& when the metal is shiney again rinse with water heat them up to dry & while they're still really warm spray the barbque paint on them I've done that a bunch of times & it works

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Thanks everyone for the great ideas!!

I think the idea of painting them with a foam brush sounds pretty easy!

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VHT makes a ceramic header paint...

Highly recommended...

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Definitely avoid the header wrap. Been there.....

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So how do you suggust removing the rust? I saw about putting acid on them but maybe just a wire wheel on a cordless drill is better??

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Good luck getting in there to get at much of the rust with a cordless drill.

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Good luck getting in there to get at much of the rust with a cordless drill.




Yep probably not going to get at much but i will try and go the paint on coating way i thing.

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We did something like that on my friends 1970 nova couple years ago.

We lined the engine comparment with old blankets, then cardboard and finally some blue tarps.

Disconnected all plugs off the motornear the headers and put them on intake. Got some plastic wrapped around the top of the motor to pertect everything from the valve covers and up..

Had two cheapy dremel hand drill and used a combination of wire wheels and sand paper rolls to clean up the corners and medium grit sandpaper to clean up the long tubes.

Cleaned up as much surfact of rust, scale, paint and dust so the VHT had a better contact surface. Placed cardboard and masking tape behind the headers as to not get overspray on the motor. Added paint as needed and kept even coats going. Removing battery and altornator will allow you to have more room for spraying those hard to get angles.

Do about one coat every hours as directed (we did 3 coats) and was fairly warm that day. Let it cure overnite and let the paint adhere better. Next day we removed everything covering the engine, started the car, let it slowly get warmed up with the hood open to let it breath and cured better. About 15 min, we shut off the engine and did a inspection of the tubes. Everything was looking good so we started it for a couple more tries and let the paint cure nicely. Still looks decent after all the driving.

On another note, that was alot of work and my buddy earned an atomic charlie horse punch to his hind leg from me for being to hard headed about pulling headers off and having everything done off the engine which would have been easier and probably done in 1/2 the time it took us.

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So how do you suggust removing the rust? I saw about putting acid on them but maybe just a wire wheel on a cordless drill is better??



You can use the drill but in a month grill paint or whatever will be showing rust again in a month or two

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Ya, seems like a lot of work. You must have a lot of time on your hands.

Either do it right (remove them, blast, re-coat), get new headers, or just leave 'em as-is.

Sux that TTIs get like that. Seems ridiculous for how expensive they are.

Wish they made stainless steel ones.

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Get a couple of the coarse Scotch Brite pads. Scuff them then paint them with the BBQ paint.


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doesn't matter who coats them they will look the same as you have now in time.

the bbq paint is an option and i have a few friends using the stuff from eastwood. they put it on with a foam brush. if a spot pops up then they scotch brite the area and brush it up again. one of those two ways are probably best for a car that gets driven.


pretty sure this is the stuff..
http://www.eastwood.com/tlc-colorgard-black-4-oz.html

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Don't remove the rust. Wire brush off the thick stuff and paint with your favorite, either barbecue black or the VHT. I favor the dull barbecue black because it is not reflective so doesn't show the rough surface as much.

I have also used Ospho on rusty things but didn't have luck getting paint to stick, maybe I did something wrong.

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Thanks for all the good advice!!!

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best advice? pay your daughters boyfriend to remove them so you can send them off to be re-coated.

or, threaten him with a bluff, and tell him that he needs to do it for free, or you'll behead him for what you saw him doing to your daughter last weekend, and when he looks at you funny, you repeat what you said, then add that you're not talking about the head on his shoulders, and that he may not have seen you, but you sure saw him, thanks to the GPS tracker you have in your daughters phone.


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Good ideas but the youngest daughter's boyfriend is so "sensitive" that he can only play video games. The oldest daughter's boyfriend is back home in NE on leave and she's on her way out to see him on Wednesday and the middle daughter likes books more than boys. So no soap on all fronts!

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Not to play devil's advocate here, but, how old are those tubes???

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Not to play devil's advocate here, but, how old are those tubes???




Good question they are about 9 years old or so. They lasted about 6 months looking like new and after that well you can see in the photo. The top parts of the tubes are like new it's just the bottom sections that look awful.

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Really strange...

I'm gonna say I think you'll have adhesion problems unless you get that old 'ceramic' off...

Unless you're OK with having to touch 'em up every now and again...

What does TTI say???

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What does TTI say???




You are out of warrenty........

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Stu - my suggestion is to create a couple really good oil leaks on your engine that constantly coat the headers in motor oil.. it'll keep them looking nice and black and shiny. Works for me.

Although, the oil spraying all over the underside of the car is kind of a bummer.. oh, and the smoke... oh yeah, and the mess on the garage floor too ...

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