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1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? #1237167 05/21/12 04:22 PM 05/21/12 04:22 PM
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Diego (not Ted) OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	For the Charger, available colors were: GB5, GY3, GF7 (cancelled midyear), EV2, FC7, and FJ6, correct? And for the Challenger, FC7, FJ6, EV2, GY3, and GB5?

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1237168 05/21/12 08:46 PM 05/21/12 08:46 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Quote: For the Charger, available colors were: GB5, GY3, GF7 (cancelled midyear), EV2, FC7, and FJ6, correct? And for the Challenger, FC7, FJ6, EV2, GY3, and GB5? For Challenger it is only FC7, EV2, GY3 and GB5.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Morty426] #1237169 05/21/12 09:39 PM 05/21/12 09:39 PM
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Diego (not Ted) OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	Really? No FJ6? Okay!

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1237170 05/21/12 09:52 PM 05/21/12 09:52 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Quote: Really? No FJ6? Okay! Nope just those four colors. In my many travels I've seen GB5 (Floyd), EV2 (my car) and a 340 GY3 Challenger that came out of the Bay Area. Never seen an FC7 car but there has been a purple real rear bumper at Carlisle the past two years.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Morty426] #1237171 05/21/12 10:44 PM 05/21/12 10:44 PM
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YYZ master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,327 Toronto (YYZ) Ontario	There is Vic Selvaggi's '71 Hemi Challenger - GY3 with front/rear elastomeric Another GB5 '71 383 R/T is in Ontario - front elastomeric only Have only seen FJ6 added, though IMHO it should have been made available. It was available on '71 'Cuda

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Morty426] #1237172 05/21/12 11:10 PM 05/21/12 11:10 PM
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Stewpar master Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,963 Wisconsin	Quote: Quote: Really? No FJ6? Okay! Nope just those four colors. In my many travels I've seen GB5 (Floyd), EV2 (my car) and a 340 GY3 Challenger that came out of the Bay Area. Never seen an FC7 car but there has been a purple real rear bumper at Carlisle the past two years. Was that a 340 car with A/C? Admiration For Multiple Carburetor Vehicles...

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Stewpar] #1237173 05/21/12 11:18 PM 05/21/12 11:18 PM
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Diego (not Ted) OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	I was looking at Barry's site and there's a lot of confusing information. Initially: - M73 front/rear for the R/T - Then, in Sept 1970, M71 front-only introduced for the R/T - Additionally, in Sept, the rubber bumpers became available for base Challengers but the code for them were A21 and A22. At least that's what it seems, as strange as it sounds.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1237174 05/21/12 11:35 PM 05/21/12 11:35 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Quote: I was looking at Barry's site and there's a lot of confusing information. Initially: - M73 front/rear for the R/T - Then, in Sept 1970, M71 front-only introduced for the R/T - Additionally, in Sept, the rubber bumpers became available for base Challengers but the code for them were A21 and A22. At least that's what it seems, as strange as it sounds. They might have used those codes because it would have changed the grill and rear tail panel to the RT black.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Morty426] #1237175 05/21/12 11:54 PM 05/21/12 11:54 PM
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318 Stroker master 3 Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,324 St. Louis, Mo	Quote: Quote: Really? No FJ6? Okay! Nope just those four colors. In my many travels I've seen GB5 (Floyd), EV2 (my car) and a 340 GY3 Challenger that came out of the Bay Area. Never seen an FC7 car but there has been a purple real rear bumper at Carlisle the past two years. The July 6, 1970 coding guide lists FJ6 and also FE5. I know this is early info. Did they decide not to actually release those two colors for production?

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Morty426] #1237176 05/22/12 12:07 AM 05/22/12 12:07 AM
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Diego (not Ted) OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	Quote: They might have used those codes because it would have changed the grill and rear tail panel to the RT black. Good point, but why group them under "A" instead of "M"?

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Morty426] #1237177 05/22/12 12:13 AM 05/22/12 12:13 AM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,479 So Cal	Quote: Quote: Really? No FJ6? Okay! Nope just those four colors. In my many travels I've seen GB5 (Floyd), EV2 (my car) and a 340 GY3 Challenger that came out of the Bay Area. Never seen an FC7 car but there has been a purple real rear bumper at Carlisle the past two years. This was Tim Mordella's (69Mannix) old 71 340 auto Challenger R/T. Odd car with hood black out (only in avail in black) but with white stripe, black top, black interior. And luggage rack to boot. IIRC, 1992-1993. Mach I is my brothers. Picture taken at Santa Monica Airport when Tim was working on a Chevy Truck commerical where they scrunched a truck and I think it popped back. Sorta like Chistine movie deal. 7216089-TimN71RubBumperChallenger1.jpg (830 downloads)

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1237178 05/22/12 07:37 AM 05/22/12 07:37 AM
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YYZ master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,327 Toronto (YYZ) Ontario	Quote: Quote: They might have used those codes because it would have changed the grill and rear tail panel to the RT black. Good point, but why group them under "A" instead of "M"? I believe that most of the 'A' codes denoted a group of options and/or changes, whereas 'J', 'M' etc would be for a single option that did not require any other supporting equipment. For the elastomerics on the R/T, the grille & tailpanel are already blacked out as standard equipment - the bumpers would be the only change, hence the 'M' code. Though given that left/right racing mirrors are usually part of an elastomeric package perhaps not having a group code is an oversight. For the non-R/T versions, the 'A' code would trigger the substitution of R/T grille & tailpanel as well as the requisite blackouts on the car. Some examples of 'A' codes: A46 - SE moulding group. It is comprised of several individual 'M' moulding codes: front stone shield moulding, stainless belt moulding etc. A04 - Basic group: Power steering, deluxe wheel covers, R11 Music Master AM radio, J25 variable speed wipers

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #1237179 05/22/12 10:04 AM 05/22/12 10:04 AM
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Diego (not Ted) OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	Then what's the significance of A21/22 for the Barracuda? What supporting equipment was there?

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1237180 05/22/12 10:50 AM 05/22/12 10:50 AM
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YYZ master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,327 Toronto (YYZ) Ontario	A21 Front elastomeric bumper group also triggered left/right chrome racing mirrors (irrespective of model - 'Cuda, Barracuda, Gran Coupe) A22 Front/rear elastomeric bumper group triggered left/right painted racing mirrors as well as rear tail panel blackout with the M88 tail moulding. For any Barracudas that I've seen equipped with A22, they have all had the thin, 4-piece ''Cuda' style stainless tailpanel moulding with the blackout For Gran Coupe equipped with A22, I don't know if the 3-piece aluminum tail mouldings (along back of quarters and decklid) are replaced with the 4-piece moulding, or whether they are left the same. Ditto for whether the tailpanel remains in Astrotone silver (argent) or whether it goes black as well. It's also possible that A22 would also trigger some sort of grille trim such as redlines, but that is speculation on my part - I have not seen enough untouched cars to back that up.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #1237181 05/22/12 11:32 AM 05/22/12 11:32 AM
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dart440 mopar Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 406 California City, CA	On Barracudas the bumpers did not trigger any blackout, as the bumper did not have any black like the Challengers did. My 70 FK5 Barracuda had the front rubber bumper and chrome racing mirrors, argent grille and no tail panel chrome, and no tail panel blackout (body color). I also had a FE5 70 Cuda 340 with the Front/rear rubber bumpers and body colored mirrors, but it was a Cuda, so it had the tail panel blackout and trim. When you work on Spaceships for a living, how bad can a workday be?

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: dart440] #1237182 05/22/12 11:41 AM 05/22/12 11:41 AM
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Diego (not Ted) OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	Quote: My 70 FK5 Barracuda had the front rubber bumper and chrome racing mirrors, argent grille and no tail panel chrome, and no tail panel blackout (body color). I thought FK5 was not one of the colors available with A21?

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: dart440] #1237183 05/22/12 11:47 AM 05/22/12 11:47 AM
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YYZ master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,327 Toronto (YYZ) Ontario	Quote: On Barracudas the bumpers did not trigger any blackout, as the bumper did not have any black like the Challengers did. My 70 FK5 Barracuda had the front rubber bumper and chrome racing mirrors, argent grille and no tail panel chrome, and no tail panel blackout (body color). I also had a FE5 70 Cuda 340 with the Front/rear rubber bumpers and body colored mirrors, but it was a Cuda, so it had the tail panel blackout and trim. Front rubber bumper only would not trigger any blackout (as the blackout would be only on the rear anyway) Front/rear rubber bumpers definitely triggered rear blackout with the tail trim and I have seen many A22 '70 and '71 Barracudas so equipped. Now as to how consistently Chrysler applied it - that's another issue entirely!

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #1237184 05/22/12 12:24 PM 05/22/12 12:24 PM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,479 So Cal	Another from Orange County area... 7216622-05MoprFest00371.JPG (239 downloads) Last edited by autoxcuda; 05/22/12 12:25 PM.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: autoxcuda] #1237185 05/22/12 12:30 PM 05/22/12 12:30 PM
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dart440 mopar Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 406 California City, CA	Barracudas had different paint color options than challengers and were also different availability between 70 and 71. When you work on Spaceships for a living, how bad can a workday be?

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #1237186 05/22/12 12:42 PM 05/22/12 12:42 PM
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Diego (not Ted) OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	Quote: Front/rear rubber bumpers definitely triggered rear blackout with the tail trim and I have seen many A22 '70 and '71 Barracudas so equipped. So you're saying every Barracuda and Gran Coupe with A22 had the blackout? That's kinda like an M46 Barracuda - they all had the blackout too.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: autoxcuda] #1237187 05/22/12 12:42 PM 05/22/12 12:42 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Quote: Another from Orange County area... That tag is fake. For one M73 does not go on the tag. That car was also originally EL5 - it was color changed and the options added by Greg Bullenger(?) back in the 90s

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Morty426] #1237188 05/22/12 12:57 PM 05/22/12 12:57 PM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,479 So Cal	Quote: Quote: Another from Orange County area... That tag is fake. For one M73 does not go on the tag. That car was also originally EL5 - it was color changed and the options added by Greg Bullenger(?) back in the 90s I've heard that from Greg. But couldn't remember the exact details why. That's why I posted the tag again. Never seen five J codes in a row together. Would be still a cool car in the less seen EL5, IMHO. Last edited by autoxcuda; 05/22/12 01:01 PM.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1237189 05/22/12 01:10 PM 05/22/12 01:10 PM
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YYZ master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,327 Toronto (YYZ) Ontario	Quote: So you're saying every Barracuda and Gran Coupe with A22 had the blackout? That's kinda like an M46 Barracuda - they all had the blackout too. At least for any Barracuda I've seen with A22. Per my earlier post I'm not sure if Gran Coupes kept the argent tail or if was superseded by blackout with A22. Interestingly the M46 package does not seem to follow the same logic. Arguably, an 'M' code should be a standalone option such as the side scoops. However, M46 on a Barracuda triggered lower body blackout, rear tail panel blackout, 3 piece tail panel trim, a pinstripe to separate the lower blackout from the body colour and black sprayed grille and valance insert. Technically, it too should have had an 'A' code to capture those changes. Even rear window louvers got an 'A' code, perhaps to capture the vinyl roof and racing mirrors.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: autoxcuda] #1237190 05/22/12 10:29 PM 05/22/12 10:29 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Quote: Quote: Quote: Another from Orange County area... That tag is fake. For one M73 does not go on the tag. That car was also originally EL5 - it was color changed and the options added by Greg Bullenger(?) back in the 90s I've heard that from Greg. But couldn't remember the exact details why. That's why I posted the tag again. Never seen five J codes in a row together. Would be still a cool car in the less seen EL5, IMHO. Cool car? Yes! IIRC it was actually a EL5 N96 car. From my discussion with Greg he hated Butterscotch and the car was missing the shaker so he built it to "how I wanted it to be". I didn't know what to say.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #1237191 05/22/12 10:32 PM 05/22/12 10:32 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Quote: Quote: So you're saying every Barracuda and Gran Coupe with A22 had the blackout? That's kinda like an M46 Barracuda - they all had the blackout too. At least for any Barracuda I've seen with A22. Per my earlier post I'm not sure if Gran Coupes kept the argent tail or if was superseded by blackout with A22. Interestingly the M46 package does not seem to follow the same logic. Arguably, an 'M' code should be a standalone option such as the side scoops. However, M46 on a Barracuda triggered lower body blackout, rear tail panel blackout, 3 piece tail panel trim, a pinstripe to separate the lower blackout from the body colour and black sprayed grille and valance insert. Technically, it too should have had an 'A' code to capture those changes. Even rear window louvers got an 'A' code, perhaps to capture the vinyl roof and racing mirrors. YYZ all of your Challenger rubber stuff has been spot on However my theory on fender tags are they are there to tell you when to drill holes in the car for the most part.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Morty426] #1237192 05/22/12 11:07 PM 05/22/12 11:07 PM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,479 So Cal	Quote: Cool car? Yes! IIRC it was actually a EL5 N96 car. From my discussion with Greg he hated Butterscotch and the car was missing the shaker so he built it to "how I wanted it to be". I didn't know what to say. Un-freaking-believable. But... The customer is always right.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1237193 05/23/12 01:46 PM 05/23/12 01:46 PM
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cataclysm80 master C Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,165 Florida	Good thread (wish I was on moparts more often) Tav

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: cataclysm80] #1237194 05/23/12 02:42 PM 05/23/12 02:42 PM
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Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1237195 05/23/12 04:59 PM 05/23/12 04:59 PM
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YYZ master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,327 Toronto (YYZ) Ontario	Very true And we can always discuss further over a beverage at Carlisle if you're making it out this year

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #1237196 05/23/12 05:43 PM 05/23/12 05:43 PM
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Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #1237197 05/23/12 10:22 PM 05/23/12 10:22 PM
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m46rat top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,652 Calgary, Alberta Canada	Quote: Quote: So you're saying every Barracuda and Gran Coupe with A22 had the blackout? That's kinda like an M46 Barracuda - they all had the blackout too. At least for any Barracuda I've seen with A22. Per my earlier post I'm not sure if Gran Coupes kept the argent tail or if was superseded by blackout with A22. All 70 Gran Coupes with A22 have a silver, or astrotone rear panel, the astrotone it sprayed about half an inch under each rear aluninum quarter moulding and also to the top of the tail panel so that the lip of the decklid covers the top of it when down. Remember that the Gran Coupe medallion that covers the key hole has the silver or astrotone paint surrounding the outside of it, that is always that way, it is never black. BTW, the black on an M46 tail panel is applied the same way as the astrotone on a gran coupe tail panel, it has the same three aluminum pieces to seperate the black from the body color as a Gran Coupe does. The black on a 'cuda is limited to the inside border of the four stainless tail panel pieces.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: m46rat] #1237198 05/24/12 08:49 PM 05/24/12 08:49 PM
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Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: autoxcuda] #1237199 05/25/12 12:19 AM 05/25/12 12:19 AM
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alice member A Joined: May 2012 Posts: 12 shenzhenglonghua	Another GB5 '71 383 R/T is in Ontario - front elastomeric only Connecting People.Powering the would.

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YYZ master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,327 Toronto (YYZ) Ontario	Quote: Another GB5 '71 383 R/T is in Ontario - front elastomeric only Original shaker car too.... (now with rear elastomeric and 440-6/4-speed power as well)

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #1237201 05/25/12 09:49 AM 05/25/12 09:49 AM
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ErikR pro stock Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,202 Long Island NY	The topic of A22 Barracuda's (1970-71) came up before, I tried to search but maybe it was more than 3 years ago cause the search function cannot pull it up. really stinks cause that was an informative thread. Anyway, in that long thread there was nobody who could produce a picture to "prove" that A22 Barracuda's (70-71) WITHOUT M46 got the blackout treatment. Ola posted a pic of a brown 70 Barracuda convertible that seemed to fit the bill (had belt moldings and dual painted mirrors too per the factory announcement) but he said that he could not verify it was 100% factory and not a re-paint. so I'd still love to see some photographic evidence (FWIW) of a 70-71 Barracuda with A22, no M46, and has the blackout treatment. At some point I'm gonna put A22 on my 70 barracuda to clone this package. I have seen 70 Barracudas with body color tail panel and the M88 cuda trim and the 70 barracuda emblem which looks great IMO. I'm a bit hesitant about adding the blackout too since I cannot find any examples produced like this front the factory. If any of you guys can show some proof of this or even just find that old thread, let see it!

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: ErikR] #1237202 05/25/12 11:00 AM 05/25/12 11:00 AM
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m46rat top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,652 Calgary, Alberta Canada	Quote: The topic of A22 Barracuda's (1970-71) came up before, I tried to search but maybe it was more than 3 years ago cause the search function cannot pull it up. really stinks cause that was an informative thread. Anyway, in that long thread there was nobody who could produce a picture to "prove" that A22 Barracuda's (70-71) WITHOUT M46 got the blackout treatment. Ola posted a pic of a brown 70 Barracuda convertible that seemed to fit the bill (had belt moldings and dual painted mirrors too per the factory announcement) but he said that he could not verify it was 100% factory and not a re-paint. so I'd still love to see some photographic evidence (FWIW) of a 70-71 Barracuda with A22, no M46, and has the blackout treatment. No worries Erik, the M46 option was not available with A22, only A21 or just regular plain old steel bumpers.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #1237203 05/25/12 11:17 AM 05/25/12 11:17 AM
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autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,479 So Cal	Quote: Quote: Another GB5 '71 383 R/T is in Ontario - front elastomeric only Original shaker car too.... (now with rear elastomeric and 440-6/4-speed power as well) Is that the one with M28 Hood Periphery molding added to it too? The dealer guides say no M28 with front rubber bumpers. Doesn't make visual sense to have M28 with rubber bumpers.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: m46rat] #1237204 05/25/12 11:18 AM 05/25/12 11:18 AM
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YYZ master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,327 Toronto (YYZ) Ontario	A22 Barracudas with blackout & thin stainless definitely exist, though as with anything Mopar it's entirely possible that cars that were supposed to get something didn't, and vice versa. Heck, one of my parents' old cars was coded for rocker mouldings - had one on one side of the car, the other didn't even have the studs for the clips! m46rat and I saw an original paint A22 '70 Barracuda for sale in the swap area at Carlisle a few years ago which had the blackout and thin trim. There is an early production '71 318 Barracuda convertible in my parts that also came with the A22 and the blackout and thin trim. I have seen quite a few other originals over the years. The other confusing part is that M88 is the same code for the Gran Coupe 3-piece trim and 4-piece 'Cuda trim so it's easy to see how errors could be made on the line. There was a red A22 Gran Coupe (houndstooth interior with red stripe panels) parted out about 10 years ago - it had the 4-piece trim on it. I still have the red stripe panels from that car....

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #1237205 05/25/12 01:13 PM 05/25/12 01:13 PM
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m46rat top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,652 Calgary, Alberta Canada	It was a 70 FE5 Gran Coupe and the black out was astrotone-out!

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: m46rat] #1237206 05/25/12 01:37 PM 05/25/12 01:37 PM
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ErikR pro stock Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,202 Long Island NY	YYZ and m46rat, coming from you guys I definitely take your word on it. tailpainel treatment would not be listed explicitly on a broadcast sheet right? what I mean by explicit is that that a BP or BS car would have it as part of the gc or cuda package but on a BH car it's not coded on the bcs or anywhere else if I got that right? pretty cool that you guys have seen this combo in person on a handful of cars.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: ErikR] #1995382 01/21/16 07:53 AM 01/21/16 07:53 AM
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Hemiken mopar Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 622 Queensland, Australia	I have a picture of a fender tag from a member on Cuda-Challenger.com that has an FE5 Red BH Barracuda that is coded with A22 and M88, i will try to find it.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Hemiken] #1995535 01/21/16 03:17 PM 01/21/16 03:17 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	I had a 1970 FE5 Barracuda coded with A22 that was built in LA I can post the fender tag later today.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1996028 01/22/16 12:36 AM 01/22/16 12:36 AM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Proof of the elusive A22 Barracuda

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1996039 01/22/16 12:57 AM 01/22/16 12:57 AM
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Diego (not Ted) OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	Where's that car based? About 20 years ago, I saw a 318 BH23 with A22 at a gas station in Hopewell, NJ.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1996323 01/22/16 03:23 PM 01/22/16 03:23 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Originally Posted By Diego (not Ted) Where's that car based? About 20 years ago, I saw a 318 BH23 with A22 at a gas station in Hopewell, NJ. It's spent all it's life in the Roseville/Sacramento California area.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1996830 01/23/16 03:16 AM 01/23/16 03:16 AM
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Diego (not Ted) OP Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 22,900 Gabba Gabba Hey! NYC	Thanks!

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #1997013 01/23/16 02:30 PM 01/23/16 02:30 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Originally Posted By Diego (not Ted) Thanks! Any time

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #2292062 04/22/17 01:08 PM 04/22/17 01:08 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Erik R asked for some photographic evidence of the elusive A22 Barracuda. Here it is in probably the summer of 1988. The car was wearing it's original paint and you can clearly see that the tail panel is in Organisol Black. The looked just like a cuda other than having a flat hood. The sad thing is that back then these were just parts cars. This thing had rust free quarters and they were thrown away because no one wanted them out here in CA. Attached PDF document A22 Barracuda.pdf (120 downloads)

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #2292066 04/22/17 01:10 PM 04/22/17 01:10 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Lets try saving it as a picture, because we are all lazy

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Morty426] #2292664 04/23/17 12:55 PM 04/23/17 12:55 PM
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ErikR pro stock Joined: May 2004 Posts: 1,202 Long Island NY	Thanks Chris! The tail panel is clearly has the blackout and I can see holes for where the M88 trim was. This may be the only picture of an original paint 1970 A22 Barracuda that exists. What's also great is that you parted the car yourself and were knowledgeable enough about the options so that you took notice and remembered that the car was optioned this way. On the old board when the A22 Barracuda topic came up there was some good discussion and some pics of the Bill Evans 70 Barracuda and the FK5 convertible that Ola posted a picture of. I'll try to dig those out and post. So now I can count you Chris (Morty426), Vlad (YYZ), Dwight (m46rat) and Dan (6bblgt) that have seen A22 Barracuda's and confirm that the had they had 4pc M88 trim and tail panel blackout. Many other long time Mopar guys I talk to swear that an A22 Barracuda or any Barracuda for that matter never got the tail panel blackout (excluding M46 and Netherlands cars) so it's surprising to me that this A22 option package on a base BH23 or BH27 Barracuda is not more well known, but again I think that's because maybe not too many of these cars in the first place and not many folks taking notice of them? I don't know but I'm still really interested in finding a survivor car and additional photographic proof. Last edited by ErikR; 04/23/17 12:57 PM.

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: Diego (not Ted)] #2293731 04/25/17 10:23 AM 04/25/17 10:23 AM
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YYZ master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,327 Toronto (YYZ) Ontario	Also note that Morty426's Barracuda also has the 'Cuda style belt mouldings which appeared to have been part of the A21 and A22 packages

Re: 1971 Dodge Elastomeric information??? [Re: YYZ] #2293806 04/25/17 01:02 PM 04/25/17 01:02 PM
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Morty426 master M Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 9,550 Sacramento CA	Originally Posted By YYZ Also note that Morty426's Barracuda also has the 'Cuda style belt mouldings which appeared to have been part of the A21 and A22 packages Everything about it was 'cuda other than the hood and drivetrain.

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