Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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Don't know how prochargeds photo from the 70's proves anything(show me that car new in the 60's-very cool car by the way). But here's a neat photo found somewhere on the net. Maybe we can have Jim Schild and Galen verify what motor is in this car.
That is the car Mr. Guffey owns. The four '64 AFX Mopars (some call them 2%) all were originally shipped with Max Wedge engines. The Hemi's were sent later. The Hemi's all went to the NASCAR guys early on. When there was enough engines for them the drag racers got theirs. My guess is this is a very early photo and the hoodscoop had not been changed to the Hemi scoop. I've seen this car with both scoops. The four AFX cars were 1.Strickler 2.Ramchargers 3.Golden Commandos 4. Melrose Missle Three of the four survive and Mr.Guffey has two of them.
all i can really say is this car was built the same day as these 4 2% cars everyone speaks of.(they were all built on the same day)It IS an original HEMI car. If what you are saying about all these cars coming with max wedges i would love to know who did the shock tower conversions?
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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I have too seen the picture of the Strickler car with no wing windows. So was that a racer or factory modification? This also means the 2% cars could have had aluminium doors along with a A864 single headlight grill. I think it is probable as the A864 cars were nearing production and the parts were probably available. The 2% cars were the last evolution of the Max Wedge cars most likely. My next question is, were the the A864 Hemi cars faster right out of the box than the Max Wedge cars? I would not have thought so with the Max Wedge cars having over two years of development on the track. I would figure the teams would have used what ever they could off of the new programs on the old platform till the new package would out perform the tried and true.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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I'm sure Mr.Luppo or a prior owner switched it back to steel doors to make it class legal.
Strickler & Stiles went to Beeline AZ. for the AHRA winter nats in '65 with the '64 SS hemi car. The '65 AWB car wasn't done yet and they had sold the '64 AFX car to Whalen. They had put the aluminum doors on the SS car by then. Dave ran SS with the car there and I believe he won. The next week they went to Pomona for the NHRA Winter Nats with the same car. NHRA caught the aluminum doors and made them run modified production. They won there too. The car had Dave Strickler Racing Enterprises on the side not Dodge Boys. Jenkins wasn't part of the team any longer. This was told to me by Bill Stiles.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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Here is the Strickler SS car with AFX doors.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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Here they both are with Jiggs....
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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Here is the AFX car post-Strickler.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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Don't know how prochargeds photo from the 70's proves anything(show me that car new in the 60's-very cool car by the way). But here's a neat photo found somewhere on the net. Maybe we can have Jim Schild and Galen verify what motor is in this car.
That is the car Mr. Guffey owns. The four '64 AFX Mopars (some call them 2%) all were originally shipped with Max Wedge engines. The Hemi's were sent later. The Hemi's all went to the NASCAR guys early on. When there was enough engines for them the drag racers got theirs. My guess is this is a very early photo and the hoodscoop had not been changed to the Hemi scoop. I've seen this car with both scoops. The four AFX cars were 1.Strickler 2.Ramchargers 3.Golden Commandos 4. Melrose Missle Three of the four survive and Mr.Guffey has two of them.
all i can really say is this car was built the same day as these 4 2% cars everyone speaks of.(they were all built on the same day)It IS an original HEMI car. If what you are saying about all these cars coming with max wedges i would love to know who did the shock tower conversions?
If your Dad is saying his car and the 2% cars and his have the same sceduled production date on the fender tag, that really has nothing to do with the actual production date of the car. They could have been built weeks even a months apart.
first off my dad isn't saying anything, I AM. We know exactly what this car is (as do others that know the car) if you think it is just coincidence that these cars were all built the same day with the same codes you my friend are in a perfect world. IBM punch cards don't lie. as said earlier all you guys have is speculation
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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Prochargedhemi If you knew me you would know that my code is never say never with Chrysler. You are also correct in that I do not know everything about the 62-64 Max Wedge cars or the 64 A864 cars that came after them. But I try to keep an open mind and my ears and eyes open. I don't believe I ever doubted the authenticity of your Dads car or any other. But fact is that sometime in the latter part of the 1964 model year they ceased to build Max Wedge cars and began to build Hemi cars at that point it is probable there were both on the line and built the same day. Yes this is speculation as I was not working for Chrysler at that time as I was 9 years old. But the knowledge that I did try to convey to you is fact, like it or not. All the A12 cars have SPD of 329 or 426, if you think they were all built on those dates possibly you are living in the perfect world.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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That is why I am asking questions as there are some on here that were involved with these cars new and the longer we wait the less people there will be to give first hand information. There has never been a place where so many people that were interesed, owned and raced the early Max Wedge and Hemi cars could exchange their knowledge and experience. If this thread will run long enough and people that know people that were involved with the cars will post or pick the brain of friends that did, and post I believe we will see that there is much to be learned about these cars.
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Re: 64 Hemi A990 (REAL) car pictures
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For what ever it's worth, as I have studied the 2% cars for a long time, They were super secret experimentals that were to lead to the AFX AWB campaign. I suspect that Chrysler was looking at how these cars would perform and handle with a much lighter rolling weight than the common Maxies and steel/aluminum Hemis already out on the field.
The 11 or so all out Fiberglass AFX'rs of the following 65' would then prove that they were just too crazy of a concept, hence the wild wheel stands that Chrysler opposed of.
With this, the 4 special cars came with aside of their slightly altered bases, aluminum doors with no vent wings, aluminum door hinges, aluminum window regulators, full aluminum dashes, aluminum rad supports, aluminum fenders, aluminum hood with Hemi scoop, aluminum master brake cylinders, and rumored to be, under dash aluminum brake brackets and so forth. Like said here before, these cars were probably in a manic state of switching games between the teams and or various classes. People were cheating like crazy back then and I wouldn't put it past a team to hoax another (even their own make)with part switching schemes to break the suspicions. Maybe some witching hour favors with super secret stampings of other parts that would not be part of the original parts list?
LOL. I would like to see the electrical utility bills of Chrysler's stamping facility back when, to see if any of the super draining presses and stamp machines were all of a sudden working late at night. Busted!
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