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5/16 fuel lines....big enough? #1213745
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hello all. i'm going to replace all my, cobbled together, fuel lines on my 68 coronet rtr. it has the factory avs and a stock 440hp.

i'm going to use some prebent reproduction lines and i'm wondering if the 5/16" are fine or should i go to a 3/8" main line?

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Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: 68-scatpack-rt] #1213746
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i'd do 3/8" from the tank to the pump. 5/16" from the pump to carb is o.k.

Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: 68-scatpack-rt] #1213747
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Lots of guys are getting by just fine on even warmed-over BBs using 5/16. I'd say it depends on what's in store for the car down the road. I usually go a bit overboard on fuel supply unless the car needs to be completely stock or is gonna run 500HP or more and see any racing. 3/8 would not be a bad upgrade.

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the engine will remain stock.


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Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: 68-scatpack-rt] #1213749
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I'd do the 3/8" if your gonna buy one.

Yes the 5/16" would be OK, but 3/8" is better.

And like what was said, 5/16" from the pump to the carb is plenty.

Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: 68-scatpack-rt] #1213750
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I've run 5/16 on both My 6 pack cars and 2 500 strokers with no fuel delivery issues.(including qtr mile full throttle)

If it makes You happy...then go for it

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5/16's was original and worked with gas of the time. Today's gas is blended for EFI cars and has high vapor pressure or tendancy to boil. Larger fuel lines are one of the small but meaningful things you can do to reduce restriction and chance of vapor lock. If you are buying, I'd go 3/8" to the fuel pump. 3/8" pickup included.

Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: 68-scatpack-rt] #1213752
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5/16 is fine. I've seen 11 second cars running 5/16th


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Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1213753
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If I replace mine I always go 3/8. My 68 satellite with a 318 even has 3/8 now in stainless. Not that I had planned to build it up, but you never know.


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Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: Silver70] #1213754
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All you guys advocating using a 5/16 line, have you measured the I.D. of one yet OP, go with the biggest one you can buy that will fit like the stock ones do, replace the pick up inside the tank with a 3/8 also


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Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: 68-scatpack-rt] #1213755
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If it's the original line then maybe it's time to change anyway (old), and you can upgrade. Don't forget the sender too.

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Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: DANA60] #1213756
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afaik the above car was running a stock 5/16" fuel system with a carter HV mechanical pump...so the answer to the title question is yes.

if it's not a hassle and much more money over the 5/16" i see no reason to not use the 3/8 but i think it's safe to say it's not necessary at all

Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: jamesc] #1213757
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Isn't this a case where the chain is only as strong as its weakest link? In theory, going from a 3/8" fuel sender to a 3/8" fuel line to a 5/16" fitting in the fuel pump, followed by a 5/16" line to the carb....Tell me how the 3/8" stuff makes any difference. I'd like to hear different opinions if anyone has them.
Jeff

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It's better than starting with 5/16" and then going to the larger 3/8" down the pike.

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Isn't this a case where the chain is only as strong as its weakest link? In theory, going from a 3/8" fuel sender to a 3/8" fuel line to a 5/16" fitting in the fuel pump, followed by a 5/16" line to the carb....Tell me how the 3/8" stuff makes any difference. I'd like to hear different opinions if anyone has them.
Jeff


It seems to me every good electric race pump manufacturers advocates using a bigger feed line from the tank to the pump than they do pushing the fuel forward from the pump to the regulator I have had so many issues on fuel systems there is no way I'm going to use little when I can use big, on any and all parts of the sytem


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Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1213760
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The feed(suction) line should be bigger on any pump setup. No matter what kind of pump were talikng about, water, sewage, mud pumps, fuel pumps any and all pumps need a larger suction than discharge.

I'm in the liquid business and have been installing and servicing pumps since 1983.

Todays gasoline is different than what we had 30 years ago and a larger suction line is best when were talking about a remote fuel pump that is not in the gas tank.

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Quote:

Isn't this a case where the chain is only as strong as its weakest link?




no it isn't

fluid flow is caused by pressure differential, it flows from an area of higher pressure to an area of lower pressure.

first a basic understanding about gauges and atmospheric pressure

PSIG is Pounds Per Square Inch Gauge which is what most gauges we see are. what this means is that the gauge reads 0# at atmospheric pressure.

atmospheric pressure is normally about 14.7 PSIA (caused by the weight of our atmosphere), which is Pounds Per Square Inch Absolute. a PSIA gauge will read 14.7# at atmospheric pressure (whereas a PSIG sitting next to it will read 0).

take a 1" pipe a mile long and put a pump at the beginning of it and leave it open at the other end, then put accurate PSIA gauges every ten feet. start the pump, what you will find is that EVERY gauge from the pump to the open end reads continuously lower. the gauge at the open end will read 14.7#. pressure at the pump will be highest, pressure at the open end will be lowest.

take the same setup only put the pump at the other end so the mile long pipe is on the suction of the pump, put the open end in a pool of water. then start the pump and what you find is that EVERY gauge from the open end (at the pool) to the pump will read continuously lower. the gauge at the pool will read 14.7 PSIA and every other gauge will read lower, the gauge at the suction of the pump will have the lowest reading of all of the gauges.

it doesn't matter what you're pumping, or how big the diameter or length of pipe the principal is the same.

in a sense technically there is no such thing as a vacuum only an absence of pressure. under most common standard conditions the majority of pumps we deal with on a daily basis will have no more than 14.7 PSIA available to "push" the liquid into them so they can pump it. make no mistake about it liquid is "pushed" into a fuel pump.

most pumps have a larger suction as opposed to discharge to reduce the losses on the suction side. IF the NPSH (net positive suction head) drops below the pumping requirements under the conditions the pump is operating the fluid will flash to a vapor, the pump will cavitate and cease pumping. NPSH is affected by many things such as viscosity, temperature, flow rate, vapor pressure etc.

so in this case just because the dimensions at the pump and carb are 5/16 this doesn't mean the 3/8" upstream can't or won't be beneficial.

these aren't my opinions these are facts

that said the 5/16" will do everything the OP needs.

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that said the 5/16" will do everything the OP needs.






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Re: 5/16 fuel lines....big enough? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1213763
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I run 5/16" from the tank to the pump....3/8" from the pump to the prefilter. I run two 500cfm edelbrocks...and a 120GPH Eddy Pump...no issues at all


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