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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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Seems to me that a 440 dart would kick ass if done right?
Some have asked how fast I wanted it to go?
.. Honestly think I can make it run consistantly low 12's (with a gear change)
low 13's just as it sits !
What do you consider to be kicking butt ? L88 vettes and a 70 Hemicuda are running well into the 11's at the pure stock drags.
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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I will respond in more detail later, but the 68 GSS Darts were factory cars that rolled down the assembly line as 383 GTS's without engines then shipped to Hurst-Campbell for the 440 install. 
Now thats news to me. All the years I have been around Mopars I was always told MR Norms installed the 440 engines in the 68 Darts at his dealer.  Ron
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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I will respond in more detail later, but the 68 GSS Darts were factory cars that rolled down the assembly line as 383 GTS's without engines then shipped to Hurst-Campbell for the 440 install.
It would make these cars legal then I assume , similar to the cars that were built by the factory and shipped to Yenko , I'm pretty sure those cars can run in their raw form but not as a Yenko ?
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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So they could run in FAST as long as they had no engine in them, that way they would appear just as they did out the factory doors.
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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So they could run in FAST as long as they had no engine in them, that way they would appear just as they did out the factory doors.
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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I will respond in more detail later, but the 68 GSS Darts were factory cars that rolled down the assembly line as 383 GTS's without engines then shipped to Hurst-Campbell for the 440 install.
It would make these cars legal then I assume , similar to the cars that were built by the factory and shipped to Yenko , I'm pretty sure those cars can run in their raw form but not as a Yenko ?
Cars were shipped to Yenko, Baldwin Motion, and others with engines. They would then take the engines out, and sell them to customers. And install 427s or 454s.
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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These cars wouldn't be that lethal as a FAST car. The carb, intake and exhaust manifolds all suck and and the heads arent that great either. Just look at what the Chevrolet guys have with their "compact" big block Nova's. Big dual feed Holley, Nice high rise intake, canted valve big port heads, better exhaust manifolds. Heck you can even run an "842" rectangular port aluminum head in one of these packages. If you were to do one of these for FAST, a low deck would be a better option, but you'd still get your asss handed to you. I bet you can get a small block Cleveland Mustang to outdo a 440 Dart or Cuda if both cars got the same level of effort.  Sorry to be the wet blanket.... MB
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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Why did they cut the rear motor mount lug off Jim? Steering box? I agree with Mike and Jim here about not being a good FAST car. I think like Mike says the induction just sucks. I think the intake is more of a problem than the exhaust is. All the big block avs type 4bbl combos have just been DUDS. That said it is a perfect car for a Kid to get his feet wet in drag racing which is exactly what is going on here. If I was 17 and somebody handed me a 440 Dart to beat the death out of I sure would be Grinning 
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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Yep, there was minimal interference with the steering box, especially when the engine torque was at max. By 69 the factory built cars did not have the mount boss shaved. They did not offer power steering with the 440 A-Body's but did with the 383.
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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If I was 17 and somebody handed me a 440 Dart to beat the death out of I sure would be Grinning
Id be doing handsprings, too... 
MB
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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Jim/Tom: Thanks for the tutorial on these cars...learned a lot in this thread that I never knew about these A body M codes. MB
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
[Re: 383man]
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Its a shame Mopar did not offer the 440 six pack in these cars in 69 or 70 with a type of factory header like the 64 Hemi cars had. They would then be a killer combo for FAST ..... Ron
Ron the 64 Hemi is not allowed in FAST for that exact reason , the factory header .
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Re: Are there any Big Block 440 dart F.A.S.T. racers here?
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So I guess I should hack that off my block then. Course you can't go home again
Tom , if the car doesn't have power steering there isn't really a need to cut it off .
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440 Darts are real fast when you add headers , good intake and carb and a nice solid cam. To bad they were so limited from the factory. Ron
