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383 seems to have very low power #1189158
03/01/12 03:49 PM
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Hi everybody, here is my current situation,

I recently replaced my 318 2bbl motor and transmission in my 1970 Dodge D100 pickup with a 1966 383/727 out of a 1966 newport. The motor is original and has very low miles, checked the bearings and they all looked brand new. My friend that's an engine machinist even saw them and the rest of the inside of the motor and recommended to not rebuild it, essentially being a waste of money to do so since it looked great. I installed it and it runs great, no smoke or anything. My problem seems to be that it just does not have any power. I feel my 318 2bbl had more power than this engine. The only modifications from stock are I am running Chrysler electronic ignition with an orange box, and a Weiand Part #8007 dual plane 4bbl manifold. I am running an almost brand new Edelbrock 1406 600 cfm electric choke carb. I have the timing dialed in at 8 degrees initial, any more than that and it will ping under WOT. It just seem to be a real dog of an engine and I am wondering if there is anything I can do short of putting a 440 in it to get the power I was expecting out of a big block. I have had stock 383 even 361 engines that had more power than this. Any help or ideas is greatly apreciated. Thank you.







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Re: 383 seems to have very low power [Re: MrBelvedere2] #1189159
03/01/12 03:58 PM
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I'd think you'd want at least 12* initial and 36* total. Disconect the vac advance and add some timing. Your distrib is probably advancing the timing way up. I bet it runs much better.


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Re: 383 seems to have very low power [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1189160
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Does the distributor in that conversion kit have the adjustable mechanical advance ? If so you need to take advance out of the distributor .

A 66 383 2bbl was maybe 280 HP when new , probably a little less , so I don't know what you were expecting ...

Re: 383 seems to have very low power [Re: JohnRR] #1189161
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Slap in some way richer metering rods from a strip kit #1487 (takes several minutes) & if that wakes it up then dial in the carb EDIT might need heavier springs/more initial

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Re: 383 seems to have very low power [Re: RapidRobert] #1189162
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That carb is junk OOTB, calibrated way lean. Look up the specs for the manual choke version and start there.


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Re: 383 seems to have very low power [Re: furious70] #1189163
03/02/12 11:07 AM
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bone stock 383s were no powerhouses. compression low enough you could probably run them on water is the biggest thing that hurt them.

get a good tune on it and it'll wake up considerably, but it's not going to be a race motor.


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Re: 383 seems to have very low power [Re: MrBelvedere2] #1189164
03/02/12 11:21 AM
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Stock cam?

Oil consumption??

The reason I ask is if there's high oil consumption it will make that motor detonate at high rpm.

The stock cam, and valvesprings, is a huge limiter to rpms and top end power.

I'd doublecheck that total timing and then consider a cam/valvespring swap.

The carb tuning suggestion is a great low-buck idea to try right away. It could help with the detonation, maybe.


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Re: 383 seems to have very low power [Re: 70Cuda383] #1189165
03/02/12 12:06 PM
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Quote:

bone stock 383s were no powerhouses. compression low enough you could probably run them on water is the biggest thing that hurt them.

get a good tune on it and it'll wake up considerably, but it's not going to be a race motor.




buddy took a 2bbl 68 Charger w/ a 383 added Summit 488 cam, Mopar M1 dual plane intake, 800 thunder carb, headers, 175k Convert, and 3.55's ran 14.20's driving like grandma. I could have gotten easy 13's out of the car. not to shabby for a 3900lb car w/ a 70k mile 383 2bbl mill.

Re: 383 seems to have very low power [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1189166
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Quote:

Quote:

bone stock 383s were no powerhouses. compression low enough you could probably run them on water is the biggest thing that hurt them.

get a good tune on it and it'll wake up considerably, but it's not going to be a race motor.




buddy took a 2bbl 68 Charger w/ a 383 added Summit 488 cam, Mopar M1 dual plane intake, 800 thunder carb, headers, 175k Convert, and 3.55's ran 14.20's driving like grandma. I could have gotten easy 13's out of the car. not to shabby for a 3900lb car w/ a 70k mile 383 2bbl mill.




I did similar wit ha 69 383 2bbl with 130k on it , 3.23's and spinning bad went 14.8's at 97ish , nothing to write home about but adding a cam to it really woke it up.







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