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Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB #1188995 03/01/12 10:14 AM 03/01/12 10:14 AM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 958 eastern, pa. C cudabitten OP super stock
cudabitten OP super stock C Joined: May 2008 Posts: 958 eastern, pa.	Hi, I need to remove the 318 and the 904 from my 74 barracuda. Should I take these out together? I need to clean up both, then seperate and send the 318 out to be rebuilt. I will be buying an engine hoist, I do not have a stand yet. So I'm trying to formulate my game plan. Thanks.

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: cudabitten] #1188996 03/01/12 10:18 AM 03/01/12 10:18 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	easier coming out seperate, easier going in together. Pick your poison. I'd say pull both, that way you can service the trans while your motor is out getting work. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: cudabitten] #1188997 03/01/12 12:29 PM 03/01/12 12:29 PM
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Fat_Mike master F Joined: May 2003 Posts: 3,050 N.W. Florida	I'd pull them together. You'll find it quite an easy process using a leveler, so you can manipulate the angle as you hoist it out of the engine bay. If you have some scrap 2X10's or 2X12's laying around, you can build a simple "stand" to set you motor on until you're ready take it to the shop. Just build a rectagle box, just wide unought to set you oil pan into. For that matter, stack up a couple old tires to set the pan in.

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: Fat_Mike] #1188998 03/01/12 02:33 PM 03/01/12 02:33 PM
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bonefish master B Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl	get the rear of the car up as high as you saftly can,it makes it alot easier.and get one of these.worth its weight in gold. 7098305-626.jpg (188 downloads) Last edited by bonefish; 03/01/12 02:34 PM.

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1188999 03/01/12 11:52 PM 03/01/12 11:52 PM
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cudabitten OP super stock C Joined: May 2008 Posts: 958 eastern, pa.	Quote: easier coming out seperate, easier going in together. Pick your poison. I'd say pull both, that way you can service the trans while your motor is out getting work. This was my idea as well. The transmission seamed ok when I parked the car four years ago. I think just a fluid/screen change and belt adjustment. Its been a while since I've done this stuff. To the other posters, I just picked up a hoist a few hours ago, and it came with one of thoses levelers. I hadn't even heard of this piece before, so thank you for passing the knowledge. I already have a friend lined up to help with the removal. Thanks for all the advice, I think were gonna try to remove both together. I'm going to post again when I'm ready for some ideas for holding the engine and trans while seperating. Wood blocks and tires will probably be fine though. Thanks, Chris.

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: cudabitten] #1189000 03/02/12 09:35 AM 03/02/12 09:35 AM
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bonefish master B Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl	leave the starter hooked up pull the pan and you can take he tq bolts out with a impact wrench,makes life MUCH easier.

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: bonefish] #1189001 03/02/12 09:52 AM 03/02/12 09:52 AM
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Mike P pro stock Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,511 AZ	Those levelers work great, but just a hint when you use it, especially when reinstalling the motor. Use the next to the last pair of intake manifold bolt holes for the rear chain, not the most rear ones. You have no idea how you get when you finally have the whole mess almost back into position only to find out you have to pull everything back out because the chain is hitting the firewall and you can't go back far enough. 1957 Plymouth (Hemi, Dual Quads, A833 4 Speed 9 1/4 w 4.10) Sold 1937 Dodge Pickup (Hemi, 6X2 intake, 46RH, Dana 60 w 4.56) Sold 1968 Plymouth Valiant 2dr sedan (354 HEMI, 46RH w/4.30 gears)

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: bonefish] #1189002 03/02/12 11:00 AM 03/02/12 11:00 AM
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cudabitten OP super stock C Joined: May 2008 Posts: 958 eastern, pa.	Quote: leave the starter hooked up pull the pan and you can take he tq bolts out with a impact wrench,makes life MUCH easier. Ok, your talking to an amateur here... The oil pan right? What are TQ bolts? Dont laugh at me. Also Mike, thanks for the tip about the hoist placement.

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: cudabitten] #1189003 03/02/12 11:26 AM 03/02/12 11:26 AM
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GrnMagic77 Peter Parker G Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,506 Indiana	Quote: What are TQ bolts? Torq Converter bolts...connects flex plate to torq converter. 1978 Round Up-1977 Warlock-1977 Powerwagon Adven.- 1976 Blue "Macho"-1974 Charger-1968 Fury III -1966 Newport *

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: GrnMagic77] #1189004 03/02/12 11:41 AM 03/02/12 11:41 AM
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bonefish master B Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl	Quote: Quote: What are TQ bolts? Torq Converter bolts...connects flex plate to torq converter. yeh,if you take the oil pan off its a straight shot with an IMPACT air wrench.if not its a [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] with a hand wrench,especially with the motor out.leave the starter hooked up to turn the motor over to get to each bolt.(i didnt know bu--ger was a bad word ) Last edited by bonefish; 03/02/12 11:44 AM.

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: bonefish] #1189005 03/02/12 12:40 PM 03/02/12 12:40 PM
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471Magnum master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,719 Space Station #5	A leveler is a must if pulling together, but if they both have to come out, that's the way to go. Check Harbor Freight for levelers. I think I paid $30 for mine 5-10 years ago and it works really well. Jack the rear of the car way up to minimize the tilt required to clear the rad support. Definitely a two man job. -Jim I can fix it... my old man is a television repairman. He's got the ultimate set of tools... I can fix it. Currently Mopar-less

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: bonefish] #1189006 03/02/12 01:07 PM 03/02/12 01:07 PM
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CharlieB pro stock Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,301 Edgartown, MA/ Greene, ME	Quote: get the rear of the car up as high as you saftly can,it makes it alot easier.and get one of these.worth its weight in gold. best investment even for a single in/out project 7099793-6ab9.jpg (139 downloads)

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: 471Magnum] #1189007 03/02/12 01:08 PM 03/02/12 01:08 PM
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Troy master T Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,957 West Coast, CA	.......jack the back end of the car as high up as you can get it and pull the two together. You will have no problem at all..... ....there is nothing like driving my 1968 Hemi Dart around town and having people looking at you like you're nuts!!

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: cudabitten] #1189008 03/02/12 01:19 PM 03/02/12 01:19 PM
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Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Definitly take them out togeather. Homemade by me, took a piece of 1/2" cold rolled steel and heated it up and wrapped it around a piece of pipe and then welded the ends. Been using it for 30 years dozen of times, best part is was free.

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: Challenger 1] #1189009 03/02/12 01:22 PM 03/02/12 01:22 PM
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dustergirl340 Chicken Little Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 22,873 Chicken coop	Gary...my husband made one that looks almost exactly like that. Works great!

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: Troy] #1189010 03/03/12 12:36 PM 03/03/12 12:36 PM
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runinonmt mopar Joined: May 2005 Posts: 416 Franklin Co. Illinois	Quote: .......jack the back end of the car as high up as you can get it and pull the two together. You will have no problem at all..... This sounds counter-intuitive but IS the best way. Leave a creeper under the car to rest the trans.tailshaft on. On my Stepson's RR we could do almost everything this way and no stretching over the fender to work. Ron In sixty-five I was seventeen and running up one-o-one I don't know where I'm running now, I'm just running on Jackson Browne-Running On Empty

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: runinonmt] #1189011 03/03/12 01:06 PM 03/03/12 01:06 PM
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Bull1tt top fuel B Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,606 Pgh, PA	There's always the alternative route... 7101284-100_2838.jpg (134 downloads)

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: Bull1tt] #1189012 03/03/12 01:07 PM 03/03/12 01:07 PM
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Bull1tt top fuel B Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,606 Pgh, PA	Nice and easy 7101287-100_2851.jpg (172 downloads)

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: dustergirl340] #1189013 03/03/12 01:18 PM 03/03/12 01:18 PM
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Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Gary...my husband made one that looks almost exactly like that. Works great! Cool!! what I like about it, it that it is compact and never get's in the way. I have used it on many engines including International gas truck engines, 392 and MV404 which are huge and weigh way more than 440. So after those jobs I trust it completely. I didn't use this cheap chinese hoist though when lifting bigger engines, I have a larger hoist at work that is way more hoist that these cheap ones. I like it because it folds up and is easier to store in my little home garage. Always working by myself. No chains in the way or bulky leveling devise overhead to reduce your lifting height. Pulled this engine and tranny Sat morning to replace core plugs and was driving it Sunday in the afternoon. Last edited by Challenger 1; 03/03/12 02:17 PM.

Re: Pull the engine and trans out together or seperate?. SB [Re: runinonmt] #1189014 03/04/12 05:44 PM 03/04/12 05:44 PM
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cudabitten OP super stock C Joined: May 2008 Posts: 958 eastern, pa.	Thanks for this advice, I'm not sure yet how this will help, but I'm sure it will become apparent when I'm doing it. Thanks also for all the pictures. I'm gonna stick with the leveler that came with the hoist, since I bought it and my welder only goes to 1/8", and I'm not sure if I would trust my welds on this anyway. Chris.

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