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Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: hugo] #1176292
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I like the Phoenix F9 compound, and run 14x32W which would be very close to your size. This size is slightly over 15.5" tread width, right at 18" section on a 15" wide rim and rollout varies on different sets, although they are advertised as 102" I believe, the range from 102.5" to 104" (so its real important to get a matched rollout set). These work the best for me, its been a while but have tried Hoosiers, Goodyears and Mickeys. One problem with Phoenix in the recent past has been availabiliy but am told that will not be an issue this year, we'll see.

Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: 540dust] #1176293
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I like the 30 x 9 Hoosier radials I use. Ron

Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: hugo] #1176294
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I can only say what great success I am having with Phoenix slicks. I run the 12.2 x 31.25 W which have 13.6" tread, 31.8" dia (99-100" roll out), and 16.5" section width on 14" wide rims. I can't fit wide section widths on my car. So look at their 14x32 (various).

I have been getting over 200 passes on each set. The last set went 240 and 225 on the ones before that. I do rotate them side to side (leaving them on the rims) every 20-25 passes, and run inner tubes to stiffen the side wall and make them last longer. 11 psi at 3225 lbs and 1.2x sixty foot times (727 trans).


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Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: 440Jim] #1176295
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I've ran Hoosier 9x30 radials for years. No tubes, 22-23psi and just a poof of smoke.

Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: 440Jim] #1176296
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Hey Jim if the slick is already stiff wall is their a need to run tubes? Are your slicks non stiff wall and thats the reason you use tubes?

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I went from running tubes to tubeless for the last couple of years and haven't really noticed much difference in performance consistancy or et/mph, although tire changing is a little more simplified, I do have to add air every week, approx. 1 lb.

Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: hugo] #1176298
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Hey Jim if the slick is already stiff wall is their a need to run tubes? Are your slicks non stiff wall and thats the reason you use tubes?


Phoenix doesn't say if the "W" tires are stiff wall or not. I do feel the added tread rubber of the "W" will slightly increase the stiffness, but I doubt it is much. I was killing sidewalls for awhile, and was only getting 90 passes before the tire stopped working, and it had plenty of rubber left. So, I made changes:

1) Added inner tubes
2) Changed from 12" wide rims to 14"
3) Lowered ladder bar front mount hole
4) This allowed raising tire pressure 1.0 psi to 11.0 psi
5) religiously rotate slicks

All that, and now I go over 200 passes. I even ran one set until the chords showed through the rubber (mistake).

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Do your tires last less passes without tubes or about the same?

Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: 440Jim] #1176300
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My ladder is at the top hole of the five adjustments where do you have yours 440Jim and where did it use to be. When you lowered your bar you think that was what helped you not kill the side wall or the rims?

Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: jamesc] #1176301
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i won't argue that the age of slicks can/will impact their performance. having said that the tires on the sig car were probably at least ten years old (obviously sat a good bit) and i replaced them thinking they had to be bad. you know what the performance difference with the new tires was...absolutely nothing, zero.


Same here....i had a set of the M/T that were manufactured in 91 and ran a best of 1.28 60'at 3350.but the slicks were taken off during the off season and kept in control climate.I'm looking to replace my 10.5w's with a set of TT.5's to run in some of the TT.5 stuff..............

Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: hugo] #1176302
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My ladder is at the top hole of the five adjustments where do you have yours 440Jim and where did it use to be. When you lowered your bar you think that was what helped you not kill the side wall or the rims?




If you are in the top hole of a ladder bar setup you are killing the tire and hitting it too hard I bet.

Raising the ladder bar hits the tire harder, and lowering it hits it softer.

Most every car has to have the ladder bar angled down in the front or it will hit the tire too hard.


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Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: moparacer] #1176303
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My ladder is at the top hole of the five adjustments where do you have yours 440Jim and where did it use to be. When you lowered your bar you think that was what helped you not kill the side wall or the rims?




If you are in the top hole of a ladder bar setup you are killing the tire and hitting it too hard I bet.

Raising the ladder bar hits the tire harder, and lowering it hits it softer.

Most every car has to have the ladder bar angled down in the front or it will hit the tire too hard.



Overall, I agree.
It does depend on a lot of factors including car weight, gear ratio, engine torque, etc. Not to mention where the builder put the holes in the first place! So you can't compare one car to another by hole location alone. But the movement he mentioned is my understanding also.

My car combo was hitting the tire too hard and killing the tire, so I made several changes to correct that.

Hugo, if the lower bar of the "triangle" is pointing up any amount, I think your car (combo dependant) would benefit from lowering it 1 or 2 inches. Weight transfer, front end settings, and shock adjustments all play a role.

Your strut front suspension likely doesn't have the travel/weight transfer of a stocker, but as long as you are not spinning bad (maybe a 1/2 or 1 turn) you should be able to adjust the chassis to work with the low torque multiplication of the PG transmission and somewhat less weight than I have. But ladder bar rear suspensions tend to hit the tire hard, so lowering the front mount on a high horsepower car (which hits the tire on its own), can help with the tires.

Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: 440Jim] #1176304
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Not to mention where the builder put the holes in the first place!




Yep, I had a truck one time that had ladder bars on it and the brackets were too high for the ride height.

Had to cutem off and move them down..


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Re: What brand of slicks is better? [Re: moparacer] #1176305
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Update I put my new tires without tubes and went to the local track which did not had a very good preparation (so I thought). Well just of the trailer it went it's ever best 9.16 at 145.5 and 60ft's 1.27. We are sittiing at 450 elevation and temperature was 60F. Past best ever was at a very good track in Monterrey Mexico elevation was 1400 and temperature was 82. Well going back to this weekend update I went to race the final and car actually got faster and was dialing 9.12 in semifinal and final and going 9.13 letting go just a bit. I think the car would have gone the 9.12 or even lower (9.11-9.10). Oh the 60ft's went to 1.25 twice. In the final it was very cold temperature was at 49F. I did not do anything to the car as far as moving ladder bars. Like I said before they are in the top hole and I measured them race ready they were 5 degrees down so I did not want to move anything. From previous best only things I changed was a front strut that was shut down (hard) it was rebuilt. The car use to be very stiff because of that. I placed the stiffnes in the strut in the middle more softer and soften the rear schocks 3 clicks and rear spring were replaced form 175 to 130. I guess it was the tires after all what do you guys think..

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