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Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? #1175272
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I have a 'Cuda hood in, what my non-professional body guy opinion, is in pretty sound condition . It could certainly use some smoothing out, but it would not take a ton of work to get it in paintable shape.

I've been pondering about having it painted and was wondering what some of you would consider a fair price to prime > sand > shoot it? And maybe also just the shoot it part if I attempted the prime > sand stage of it as a little project to get my feet wet in body work. It wouldn't be detrimental if my body work didn't come out perfect, the entire car will get worked over in ~2-3 years...redoing the hood wouldn't be a big deal.



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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #1175273
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Borrow a gun/water trap and do it yourself.........very easy to do.....if you mess up...sand and redo......very easy....


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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: NewbombTurkk] #1175274
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prep, prime, sand, base-clear, cut and buff. $500 easy

Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #1175275
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I agree with Adam, for a decent job be prepared to spend at the least $500. If you do all prep work, you might be able to find someone to shoot it for couple hundred bucks,but also keep in mind the cost of materials,some colors can get very pricey.

Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #1175276
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had mine done for $250, required some small finishing work, included the black-out but not the 440 call outs.

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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: elitecustombody] #1175277
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yup, it's all time and materials, and materials ain't cheap!

so buy good materials, and do the time yourself.

I dabbled into some paint and body on my Dakota, spent $250 in materials (the intense blue paint was $130 a quart alone, plus primers, little bondo, clear coat, thinners, etc.)

sure, I've got some dirt in the paint because I'm not a pro body shop, and my metal working skills were not quite perfect, but overall, the results came out pretty good, and most people don't even notice the flaws until I point them out to them.


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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1175278
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so buy good materials, and do the time yourself.
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This may be what I do for good practice. My intention is to do all but the final shooting on my Barracuda when I eventually tear it down. It'd be nice to have one piece to "learn something on" rather than the entire car! (goal being a nice driver paint job, it'll be driven too much to fret about it being "perfect")

I may peck away at the prep work and wait until Summer to shoot anything. My Father-in-Law will be in town and has shot a few trucks, experience with mixing paint, etc...things I've never done before.

Anyone recommend a specific filler to run over a few areas on top? As well as the underside has some light pitting in areas from rust that would benefit from some extra material to work with. Assuming Eastwood is the common place to source DIY materials?


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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #1175279
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Primer it and start sanding. For small imperfections you can use http://www.eastwood.com/metal-glaze-30oz-pump-bottle.html

Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: AdamR] #1175280
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Primer it and start sanding. For small imperfections you can use http://www.eastwood.com/metal-glaze-30oz-pump-bottle.html




Stupid question, but I am assuming priming it with anything that comes out of a general consumer rattle can would be taking steps backwards, yes?

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Primer it and start sanding. For small imperfections you can use http://www.eastwood.com/metal-glaze-30oz-pump-bottle.html




Stupid question, but I am assuming priming it with anything that comes out of a general consumer rattle can would be taking steps backwards, yes?




Yes imo

I'd checkout the local auto paint store for supplies too. Bondo you can buy anywhere, even hardware stores. My local Car Quest store has everything needed for paint work.

Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #1175282
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that's what I did. so what if the truck didn't turn out "perfect" it's not a show truck, and since it's one of about 15 million Dakota's on the road, it's never going to be "desirable" either.

When guys say "it's all in the prep work" it's true. if you can't get a coat of primer to lay down nice and flat without peeling up from contaminates, or you can see/feel waves, dimples, etc. then keep working on it. you can NOT "fill" imperfections with paint.

If I can do it, anybody can!

Like I said, this is my first real attempt at doing my own paint/body work.

when I bought the truck it did not have fender flares on it, and the passenger fender had some light damage to it. I also had a dent on the low rear corner from a parking lot sign, and then I removed the goofy wing off the bed cover and filled the holes in.

then decided to add some "bling" and color matched the mirrors, handles, upper trim on the cab roof, antenna base, and trimmed out the tail lights in body color.

I used my cheap, 30 gallon HF air compressor runs on 110v, and really not big enough, but I took breaks while spraying to let the compressor catch up, and borrowed my dad's ancient siphon feed paint gun.









(oh yea, and the truck had one of those silly billet fuel cap things that I really didn't care for, so I grabbed a fuel door out of the junk yard and repainted it as well)





and after:









here's some pics after it's all cleaned up and washed. I think these pics are from about 4 months after I did the paint





(note, I also had to paint the fender flares, they came off a silver truck)



And here you can see the color matched trim around the tail lights.




let those pictures motivate you. like I said, I think they came out fairly decent for a first timer, and I've not had any body work classes or training, just from reading stuff on here, and watching "power block TV" on spike and other similar type shows where they show painters doing their work.

Tips: sand it again. block it out again. if you think it's perfect, then do it one more time just to be sure. use guide coats, changing the color of the primer can help to see other imperfections you missed. the color is just that. color. aim for a nice even smooth coverage. clear is for shine. spray it heavier so it flows out, and do a couple of coats, gives you something to work with when it's time to wetsand/buff. my paint above is a metallic paint, so I didn't color sand, I went from sanding primer, wiped it down, shot color, then mixed the clear up so it could "catalyze" while I cleaned the gun, and then shot the clear, waited about 20 minutes and shot the clear again.

let it sit a week, then I wet sanded and buffed, and let it sit till carlisle (about 4 weeks) before I washed/waxed it


Good luck and Have fun! Oh and buy a mask! fumes are no good!


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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1175283
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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1175284
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congrats for keeping the flat hood so long, it really looks good. I did the same thing with my Barracuda, couldn't resist putting on the rasin bran hood.

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Stupid question, but I am assuming priming it with anything that comes out of a general consumer rattle can would be taking steps backwards, yes?




Yes imo






Yes...but....I did it as you can see in my pics. unless you're using a 2-part epoxy primer/sealer, I think spray bombs are acceptable for spot type repairs like I was doing. It's the same sandable filler primer that you can buy in quarts, so you could either reduce it yourself and spray it, or buy a can already reduced and ready to spray.

but, for doing an entire hood, I would buy a quart of filler primer...maybe 2 if you think you're going to do a lot of sanding to it.


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Things I wish I did differently...


on the bed cover, I shot clear right up to the mask line, and felt that I could sand the line away since there was clear on both sides of it, but after lots and lots of sanding in one spot, I stopped, for fear of burning through the clear. If I had it to do again, I would move the mask line up about a foot, and then "fan" up to it so there's a gradual transition. sure, that gradual transition will leave a lot of orange peel in it, but it'll be a lot easier to sand and buff out, since it's really just new clear over original clear at that point.

I wish I painted my grille too. it had some rock chips in it and is nearly as bad as the bumper was, but I didn't notice it as much until after I painted the bumper.

I wish I started with a new bumper. I kept sanding and sanding on the original paint, and could not get a smooth transition, it kept lifting and flaking, so then I tried using filler primer to fill it in and sand it smooth that way, but then the solvents in the primer were reacting with the bare plastic, and kept wrinkling and lifting. I finally gave up and left it "as-is" because I might just end up with an aftermarket bumper in the future anyway.


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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1175287
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Keep in mind that certain primers and paint don't get along and can create problems.If you choose to DIY,go to a supply house to buy ALL your paints and pick thier brains alittle.

I am not a bodyman,but I stayed in a holiday inn express once


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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: ErikR] #1175288
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Thanks for the tips! Very nice work, I certainly have time and it'd probably be a little therapeutic for me to sand on something for a bit in-between exams

Suggestions on preserving the sharp body lines in the hood during sanding? Tape over them? There is absolutely nothing wrong with those lines and would rather not have self-induced waves in them.



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congrats for keeping the flat hood so long, it really looks good. I did the same thing with my Barracuda, couldn't resist putting on the rasin bran hood.




It's inevitable, for such a loud color the raisin bran thats been in the garage for four years and another couple years before I can really work on the car extensively is starting to eat at me.


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Keep in mind that certain primers and paint don't get along and can create problems.If you choose to DIY,go to a supply house to buy ALL your paints and pick thier brains alittle.

I am not a bodyman,but I stayed in a holiday inn express once




That's what I did years ago, became friends with the paint guy at a local auto paint store. This was before Car Quest came to town. He taught me all I needed to know as far as mixing paint.

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Do it yourself...you will be surprised at the results you can get.......$500 to paint a hood? I painted the wagon in this picture..backyard job, base/clear, materials were $450....

perfect...NO.....look good...yes........was it $5000...NO! Spraying was the easy part! And we did NO wetsanding or buffing....

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Go buy a matching kit....a quart should do it.........


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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: NewbombTurkk] #1175292
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Go buy a matching kit....a quart should do it.........




Can you enlighten me on what that is exactly?


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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: 70Cuda383] #1175293
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that's the problem with old Siphon feed spray guns,they require 50-60 psi to get the paint to suck up and spray right.

Goody,Just buy a cheap gravity feed spray gun from Harbor Freight, for around $20 you can get one that will do the job and can spray fine with a small compressor like that little 30 gal one mentioned.
The air is only need to make it spray the fluid will come out just be squeezing the trigger with the air not hooked up.That is why they are so effecient and they don't waste paint in the air from alot of overspray as most of the material transfer is on the vehicle.On a gravity feed almost half the cup goes in the air so it cost you twice as much paint to do the job with a siphon as your wasting it.Good paint is not cheap and you don't want to wast it so buy the correct modern type spray guns."GO Gravity or GO Home"

also check out www.tcpglobal.com they can be cheaper then Eastwood and they sell name brand paint plus have and AutoBody store as well which the links are on that site and get any body supplies you need.
Sometimes it is cheaper then driving to the local auto paint supply store and get's shipped to your door and that includes the shipping as the local store inflates their prices.
I was sending all the way to California to get stuff and have it shipped to Florida cheaper then buying at the local supply place which I had an account with and got a discount from regular over the counter customers and the Company I get my custom paints for airbrush was still beating the local store and shipped right to me,no need to waste gas

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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #1175294
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Suggestions on preserving the sharp body lines in the hood during sanding? Tape over them? There is absolutely nothing wrong with those lines and would rather not have self-induced waves in them.







Havent done it myself, but I saw on one of those TV shows, they put a tape line right on the body like you want to preserve. then eyeball the tape to make sure it's in a straight line. do your sanding up to that line with a rolled block wrapped in paper, then once you have one side done, remove tape, re-apply on the other side of the line, and sand the opposite side of the line.

that's how they did the body lines on that "crate 69 camaro" project.


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Goody, when you're ready to have it done, bring it to me.
I know people.

If my guys are good enough to paint the Bentley and Rolls we service, they can handle a Cuda hood.

One of them does NICE side work at his own shop. In fact, I had him do my daily driver when it got hit. His personal car wins trophys on an indoor show circuit.


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I landed a nice low price to not only paint the hood but blend the fenders as well.
LOW price. High quality. This guy is good.

I'll call Goody and fill him in.



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Do it yourself...you will be surprised at the results you can get.......$500 to paint a hood? I painted the wagon in this picture..backyard job, base/clear, materials were $450....

perfect...NO.....look good...yes........was it $5000...NO! Spraying was the easy part! And we did NO wetsanding or buffing....




Just a question. That looks like an AMC Machine hood scoop on that Buick. Got any more of the Machine left?


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Re: Fair price to paint a 'Cuda hood? [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #1175298
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that's the problem with old Siphon feed spray guns,they require 50-60 psi to get the paint to suck up and spray right.

Goody,Just buy a cheap gravity feed spray gun




This is also true, and I quickly bought a set of devilblis HVLP guns soon after I did my project. so far I've painted 2 small blocks with it, and sprayed some zero rust on the inner panels of my Cuda as I did some rust repair.

the 2 guns came together s a set with different nozzle/tip sizes for painting primers or finishing work, a pressure regulator, tools, brushes, etc. and I'm thinking it only cost me about $120.


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