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1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX #117040
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Im slowly completing my 71 GTX

Engines in the Kframe trannys on

Just making sure I have all my I's dotted ..

Can anyone post me pics of theri Hemi in Kframe restos ??

Any details may help... Thanks, In advance ..

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should i post in general ??

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I can take a peek at my orig. 71 Hemi Challenger when I get home and send you what you need. I also have some pics on my computer there and can send them if you want.

Anything in particular??

MB

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should i post in general ??


ow us pics and then we'll pic it apart !!

I'd pm ScottHarms. He's got super-secret pics , I'm sure !!! Seriously. There are probably 50 guys here that could help. Not me..


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Seriously, you could write a book just detailing a Hemi, and not just one book, one on each year of production! Lot's of variables. If you'd like some details feel free to e-mail me with questions and I'll provide whatever pics I can to help.

*BTW, if you'd care to post multiple pics of your engine I (as well as others) could probably help you on some of the details that jump out as questionable.


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Cant i just see one pic - so I make it nicer and then post a pic ..

I didnt put the carbs on backwards or anything ,, But .. its easy to get beat up on this site

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How about sending me one of yours in an e-mail? bugframes@msn.com . I won't rat your mistakes out, don't worry.




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Cant i just see one pic - so I make it nicer and then post a pic ..

I didnt put the carbs on backwards or anything ,, But .. its easy to get beat up on this site




Don't be afraid of getting beat up. If you post a few detailed shots of your engine, I think you will be surprised at the help you will get.

If you are really interested in finding out if your engine is correct, post the pictures and take notes. You should be able to filter out all the BS.

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Cant i just see one pic - so I make it nicer and then post a pic ..

I didnt put the carbs on backwards or anything ,, But .. its easy to get beat up on this site




Me too !!! Oh, the trottle cables go on the drivers side !!


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ok wise guy this is what I got so far .....

did you figger out which keg youre taking to norwalk yet

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1971 hemi

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looks looks like im doin Ok .. just some minor details ...

yes i have 69 valve covers ( 71 s next year , im broke )

carbs - studs or bolts ???? its hard to find 5/16ths bolts with free spinning washers ..

how is the dipstick held ?

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havent spent too much time investigating , but

how does dipstick connect

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here it is almost ready to plop in .. er I mean up ..

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1970-71 carbs are held with bolts , no washers

dipstick is held with a clip over the tube to a exhaust manifold nut

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So now I know the deal with the carbs , Thanks ..

Anyone have a pic of the dipstick and how it attaches ??

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The dipstick is held in place by a simple looking clip ("J" shaped strap), the strap has a hole at one end and a loop on the other, the adjacent exhaust manifold bolt passes through the clip hole which wraps around the dip stick tube, the bolt then passes through the exhaust manifold flange to retain both to the head. I don't have any clear pics to post at tis time. The clips are available as reproductions.

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Quote:

Just making sure I have all my I's dotted ..




Just a minor thing...No dot on an upper case "I"

Beautiful engine. Lots of hard work and detail went into that.


Frank


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Couple other details....

The exhaust manifolds, oil dip stick tube (not the stick itself) and the bolt & clip that holds it are all painted engine color. The intake area between the carbs was covered when the engines were painted so should be raw aluminum. Also, the heat riser tube (not yet installed in your pic) that goes from the intake to the exhaust manifold was painted engine color as well as the bolts that hold it on, the other tube that extends to the H-pipe was raw steel with phosphate attching bolts. The upper drivers side water pump housing bolt that also would hold the power steering pump bracket should be phosphate as it was added after engine paint went on. You seem to be missing the wire harness holder that attaches to the rear of the outboard drivers side cylinder head (attaches with one bolt and was painted with the engine) It's there to keep the positive battery cable/starter harness off the exhaust manifold. The head to valve cover Nuts & studs were covered when the engine was painted, the stud tips on yours appear to have paint on them, should be raw steel/phosphate. I'd need a closer pic to offer much more.

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Looks like the motor mounts are black, if so they got painted with the engine (orange). The coil is not completely visible but the gloss looks a bit to glossy, most I've seen that looked like that one were the ones Year One sells with the incorrect white numbers stamped on them (should be a deep lime green).


*Snoop? What did you do? Change the color from (too red) orange to (to light) orange?


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its not chevy orange i swear .. Mandarin ppg orange ??

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*Snoop? What did you do? Change the color from (too red) orange to (to light) orange?




Just lightened it up to show more detail.

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Ok snoop, makes sense.

71 GTX, along that line of thinking you might consider removing the parts that don't get painted and adding some more that do. Then go to a Mopar delaer and buy some rattle cns of "Street Hemi Orange" and hose it down to get the color right. Thier newest paint is pretty darn accurate for something out of a can. Cheap and easy now that the engine is out. Should take 2-3 cans.

Should look something like this pic

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well first off

this isnt a concours ,, its a fast class car

That doent mean I dont want to pay attention to small details ..

Seems like theres a lotta stuff that gets painted ..

This ones an auto , did the trannys get painted completely ?

Starter ..

Thanks for the replies .. so far.. More pics ..

show off your hemis ..



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well first off

this isnt a concours ,, its a fast class car

That doent mean I dont want to pay attention to small details ..

Seems like theres a lotta stuff that gets painted ..





You do realize that your above statement is a bit contradictory right?

While most FAST racers do make a few modifications that detract from a 100% "OE" appearance, most are simply because it's needed in terms of safety & performance, all other details (to the smallest degree) can be addressed to make them as close as original. This is already being done by at least a couple racers including Dave Dudek.

*Starters were not engine color (black can, "as cast" body), niether were transmissions, (autos were bare cast aluminum, 4 speeds bare cast iron)

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shouldn't the oil pressure sender be left plated .
and the throttle cable retianer is not engine color

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Does anyone reproduce the correct starter heat shield?

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Yes snoopy, Roger Gibson sells them. A few hundred $ last I checked.

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Unless he has changed them they don't have the 70-71 bump-out for the newer style starter casting.

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Unless he has changed them they don't have the 70-71 bump-out for the newer style starter casting.




I couldn't say, I haven't checked into thier accuracey, I just know he sells starter heat shields on his price list.

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""You do realize that your above statement is a bit contradictory right?

While most FAST racers do make a few modifications that detract from a 100% "OE" appearance, most are simply because it's needed in terms of safety & performance, all other details (to the smallest degree) can be addressed to make them as close as original. This is already being done by at least a couple racers including Dave Dudek.

*Starters were not engine color (black can, "as cast" body), niether were transmissions, (autos were bare cast aluminum, 4 speeds bare cast iron)""



Ok maybe a little contradictory ..
Ive been wrestling this dipstick for three hours ... I lost internet and power for two of them --
working off a generator for lights worked out well .. Powers back now ..

Ok I found throttle cable retainer Unpainted
Scotts picture looked like the starter intact ..
It is not .. cast color is correct ..

Its amazing after loking at A book I got for Xmas on HEMIS -- How many details are incorrect..

( based on what Ive learned with this project )



My car probably will never be as nice as Daves ..
I dont know how he does it ... His stuff is nice ..

If anyone has a detail of the drivers side of the engine .. Thatd be great ..

Every reference book I have is not clear enough ..

Thanks In advance ..

I am slowly getting convinced that my repop dipstick from Mancini may not be bent at the right angles OR I have motor mount conflicts ..

So much for beefy Poly mounts ..

Details , Details , Details ..

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I can take a peek at my orig. 71 Hemi Challenger when I get home and send you what you need. I also have some pics on my computer there and can send them if you want.

Anything in particular??

MB




Thanks Mike dipstick details ..
Any Markings .
Whatever would be helpful ..

Thanks - Andy

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I was going to tell you to put in the dipstick before the exhaust and definately before installing. Sorry to hear about your pains buddy. I wish I could be there.. Sorry. It is amazing what people think is correct. One guy does it wrong, but is ademement about it, then more copy and more.. Then there are hundreds saying its correct.. LOL Amazing. Good luck bud.


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Thanks Rick .. I tried the dipstick both ways It must be the motor mounts ..

You Know what .. If someones gonna pick the car apart , I dont really care .. too much ..



The Fact is that this car will be Fast and fun ..
Its gonna get scratched up from tweaking it anyways .. Its a race car ..
But i may as well pay attention to detail while I can ..

Wish I was going to Norwalk .. This car is my ball and chain , until its done .. Really need to run this year at least once ..

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For anyone else who needs reference this guys site is nice ..

http://www.hemihaines.com/Hemiphotos.html

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Thanks Rick .. I tried the dipstick both ways It must be the motor mounts ..

You Know what .. If someones gonna pick the car apart , I dont really care .. too much ..



The Fact is that this car will be Fast and fun ..
Its gonna get scratched up from tweaking it anyways .. Its a race car ..
But i may as well pay attention to detail while I can ..

Wish I was going to Norwalk .. This car is my ball and chain , until its done .. Really need to run this year at least once ..




I agree , Andy, anyone nitpicks we'll give them the ol' camel clutch !!! Good job on taking yourr time and doing what you can. After all, its a survivor, man !!!


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The throttle cable retention bracket (either 4 speed or automatic) were painted with the engine, the clamp on top is bare zinc plate, and the retaining nut is phosphate.

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Keep the details coming it will be very helpful
to all. I'm currently starting the assembly of
my hemi for the 71 convertible and watching this thread.
I realize they're are many details but
can we assume that these details can be used on
both e and b body for 71 ??
Close photo's of detail would be nice and helpful.
Thanks to all who contribute to this thread.

logan426

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Ok heres anuther one ..

Who sells upper rad hoses that are scripted .

Roger Gibson $ 44 /

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Ok heres anuther one ..

Who sells upper rad hoses that are scripted .

Roger Gibson $ 44 /




Frank Badalson,,,,, or there avail licensee's (I'm not one of them , yet)

I do know Randy at Dixie Restoration parts carries them

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Here is the quality of workmanship you get with Frank Badalson.
Dave at ECS was talking about doing the hoses, maybe he will chime in?

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does that look good if you stand back 10 feet ?

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Just took a look at the pics I have on file. Mostly stuff that has been covered ad nauseum. I did,however, find one that might be of help to some. In this picture you will find an original dipstick (upper) and a repop (lower). The pictue isn't great, but the original has "fatter" insulation and the color is rather pinkish or light brick red. The repop has thinner insulation and is plain white. Also note how it's bent in a different manner.

Good luck with the project, Andy. Can't wait to see it.

MB

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does that look good if you stand back 10 feet ?




It looks real good if I take off my glass, but so does Rosie O'Donnell.

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Here's a picture of how the dipstick mounts

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awesome pics of the dipstickss ...

THANKS very much..

FYI .. Stock dipsticks will not work with spool mounts from Schumaker ..

Will not clear the mounting bolt .. Might need to rebend a big block tube or ?

Want to know how to nearly destroy a new Hemi dipstick tube .. Ask me ..

Careful radius bends need to be made with a PRO tube bender with posibly sand filled in the tube .. to avoid the smallest dimple .. Any dimples wil l affect how the dipstick slides back in ..
Mine was not very forgiving ..

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Heres another on the starter area. Thats an original 70 Heat shield and cable holder too

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Lightened.

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is that a repop bracket ??

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Thats a mint original starter cable bracket. I can't figure out why my pics never post nice and clear.

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cool details ..

Im a couple hours away from popping the engine up into the compartment

This link shows some cool details ....

http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/2637611480029207209eeFRDt hemi deails

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Well.........

Are we going to see it run at VMP in Oct???

MB

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Im thinking Nov 8th ...

Im in the heating business .. Im gettng crushed ..

Started 5 AM this morn all I have is Sundays pretty much until the family bugs me to get out of the shop... making progress though ....

Itd probably be faster if I dropped the car off to you and picked it up in October

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Hey Andy. I was trying to get a weekend I could buzz up there for a thrashing session. Unless I brought up my kids(ya right) , its looking pretty grim. Sorry.. I'd love to help. Sorry.
Its only 4 1/2 hours to 14520 zip !!


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Here is the quality of workmanship you get with Frank Badalson.
Dave at ECS was talking about doing the hoses, maybe he will chime in?





I received an order that I placed Yesterday with Frank ..

All stuff is exceptional .. Hoses are clearly printed ..

Shipping was $ 10 for a 8 # box..

I am very pleased with his service .. and PRomptness .. Thanks




I also thought that it was very fairly priced ,, all was in stock ,, no backorders .. Why would I want to call year one again ?

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almost done ..

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you do know that those are 66-69 valve covers

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looks looks like im doin Ok .. just some minor details ...

yes i have 69 valve covers ( 71 s next year , im broke )

carbs - studs or bolts ???? its hard to find 5/16ths bolts with free spinning washers ..

how is the dipstick held ?





I paid 160 for those valve covers and theyll have to do for now.. I plan on modifying them however .. And they cleared all the monster valvetrain
this winters project is to burn in regular oil fill caps and grommets for the breather and pcv valve ...

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almost done ..




Info need, on the automatic cars wasn't the
auto kit down linkage stud for the pivot
removed ?

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