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Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: Snoopy] #117060
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Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: Snoopy] #117061
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Looks like the motor mounts are black, if so they got painted with the engine (orange). The coil is not completely visible but the gloss looks a bit to glossy, most I've seen that looked like that one were the ones Year One sells with the incorrect white numbers stamped on them (should be a deep lime green).


*Snoop? What did you do? Change the color from (too red) orange to (to light) orange?


Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #117062
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its not chevy orange i swear .. Mandarin ppg orange ??

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #117063
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*Snoop? What did you do? Change the color from (too red) orange to (to light) orange?




Just lightened it up to show more detail.

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: Snoopy] #117064
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Ok snoop, makes sense.

71 GTX, along that line of thinking you might consider removing the parts that don't get painted and adding some more that do. Then go to a Mopar delaer and buy some rattle cns of "Street Hemi Orange" and hose it down to get the color right. Thier newest paint is pretty darn accurate for something out of a can. Cheap and easy now that the engine is out. Should take 2-3 cans.

Should look something like this pic

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #117065
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well first off

this isnt a concours ,, its a fast class car

That doent mean I dont want to pay attention to small details ..

Seems like theres a lotta stuff that gets painted ..

This ones an auto , did the trannys get painted completely ?

Starter ..

Thanks for the replies .. so far.. More pics ..

show off your hemis ..



Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: sogtx] #117066
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well first off

this isnt a concours ,, its a fast class car

That doent mean I dont want to pay attention to small details ..

Seems like theres a lotta stuff that gets painted ..





You do realize that your above statement is a bit contradictory right?

While most FAST racers do make a few modifications that detract from a 100% "OE" appearance, most are simply because it's needed in terms of safety & performance, all other details (to the smallest degree) can be addressed to make them as close as original. This is already being done by at least a couple racers including Dave Dudek.

*Starters were not engine color (black can, "as cast" body), niether were transmissions, (autos were bare cast aluminum, 4 speeds bare cast iron)

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: sogtx] #117067
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shouldn't the oil pressure sender be left plated .
and the throttle cable retianer is not engine color

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: gtx6970] #117068
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Does anyone reproduce the correct starter heat shield?

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: Snoopy] #117069
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Yes snoopy, Roger Gibson sells them. A few hundred $ last I checked.

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #117070
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Unless he has changed them they don't have the 70-71 bump-out for the newer style starter casting.

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: BS27ROB] #117071
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Unless he has changed them they don't have the 70-71 bump-out for the newer style starter casting.




I couldn't say, I haven't checked into thier accuracey, I just know he sells starter heat shields on his price list.

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #117072
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""You do realize that your above statement is a bit contradictory right?

While most FAST racers do make a few modifications that detract from a 100% "OE" appearance, most are simply because it's needed in terms of safety & performance, all other details (to the smallest degree) can be addressed to make them as close as original. This is already being done by at least a couple racers including Dave Dudek.

*Starters were not engine color (black can, "as cast" body), niether were transmissions, (autos were bare cast aluminum, 4 speeds bare cast iron)""



Ok maybe a little contradictory ..
Ive been wrestling this dipstick for three hours ... I lost internet and power for two of them --
working off a generator for lights worked out well .. Powers back now ..

Ok I found throttle cable retainer Unpainted
Scotts picture looked like the starter intact ..
It is not .. cast color is correct ..

Its amazing after loking at A book I got for Xmas on HEMIS -- How many details are incorrect..

( based on what Ive learned with this project )



My car probably will never be as nice as Daves ..
I dont know how he does it ... His stuff is nice ..

If anyone has a detail of the drivers side of the engine .. Thatd be great ..

Every reference book I have is not clear enough ..

Thanks In advance ..

I am slowly getting convinced that my repop dipstick from Mancini may not be bent at the right angles OR I have motor mount conflicts ..

So much for beefy Poly mounts ..

Details , Details , Details ..

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: HPMike] #117073
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I can take a peek at my orig. 71 Hemi Challenger when I get home and send you what you need. I also have some pics on my computer there and can send them if you want.

Anything in particular??

MB




Thanks Mike dipstick details ..
Any Markings .
Whatever would be helpful ..

Thanks - Andy

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: sogtx] #117074
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I was going to tell you to put in the dipstick before the exhaust and definately before installing. Sorry to hear about your pains buddy. I wish I could be there.. Sorry. It is amazing what people think is correct. One guy does it wrong, but is ademement about it, then more copy and more.. Then there are hundreds saying its correct.. LOL Amazing. Good luck bud.


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Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: sunroofgtx] #117075
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Thanks Rick .. I tried the dipstick both ways It must be the motor mounts ..

You Know what .. If someones gonna pick the car apart , I dont really care .. too much ..



The Fact is that this car will be Fast and fun ..
Its gonna get scratched up from tweaking it anyways .. Its a race car ..
But i may as well pay attention to detail while I can ..

Wish I was going to Norwalk .. This car is my ball and chain , until its done .. Really need to run this year at least once ..

Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: sogtx] #117076
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For anyone else who needs reference this guys site is nice ..

http://www.hemihaines.com/Hemiphotos.html

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Thanks Rick .. I tried the dipstick both ways It must be the motor mounts ..

You Know what .. If someones gonna pick the car apart , I dont really care .. too much ..



The Fact is that this car will be Fast and fun ..
Its gonna get scratched up from tweaking it anyways .. Its a race car ..
But i may as well pay attention to detail while I can ..

Wish I was going to Norwalk .. This car is my ball and chain , until its done .. Really need to run this year at least once ..




I agree , Andy, anyone nitpicks we'll give them the ol' camel clutch !!! Good job on taking yourr time and doing what you can. After all, its a survivor, man !!!


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Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: sunroofgtx] #117078
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Re: 1971 HEMI details .. re : GTX [Re: sunroofgtx] #117079
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The throttle cable retention bracket (either 4 speed or automatic) were painted with the engine, the clamp on top is bare zinc plate, and the retaining nut is phosphate.

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