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Carpet fitment problems after installing Dynamat? #1152881
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We're going to install new carpet in the wagon as we reassemble it after paint. I'd like to install Dynamat on the floors for sound deadening purposes. Has anyone run into problems with carpet fitment after installing Dynamat or other similar materials?


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Re: Carpet fitment problems after installing Dynamat? [Re: not_a_charger] #1152882
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i had no fitting problems on my 70 runner,if that helps

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Re: Carpet fitment problems after installing Dynamat? [Re: not_a_charger] #1152883
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Nothing that was'nt the carpet's fault in the first place... ..Just keep it tight as possible around any contours and it should be fine....I was shocked at how heavy that style matting was when I first used it...Adds alot of weight{and money} to the project fast...But does a good job for what it's intended...I still use it in some applications but if weight is a concern you might want to look at alternative materials...

Re: Carpet fitment problems after installing Dynamat? [Re: screamindriver] #1152884
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Most carpets have a lot of excess that needs to be trimmed off so you should be good with the Dynamat. I did mine with no problems.

Re: Carpet fitment problems after installing Dynamat? [Re: furyous3] #1152885
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The sill plates and kick panels will be a bit harder to (re)install


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Re: Carpet fitment problems after installing Dynamat? [Re: RapidRobert] #1152886
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Anyone using this on a 4-speed car around the hump? Seems to me if there was going to be a fitment issue, that really where it might start to rear it's ugly head...


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Re: Carpet fitment problems after installing Dynamat? [Re: 4speeds4me] #1152887
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on my 65 dart 4 sp I had plenty of room on the hump. "legendary" carpet iirc/dynamat


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Re: Carpet fitment problems after installing Dynamat? [Re: not_a_charger] #1152888
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We're going to install new carpet in the wagon as we reassemble it after paint. I'd like to install Dynamat on the floors for sound deadening purposes. Has anyone run into problems with carpet fitment after installing Dynamat or other similar materials?




If you keep the Dynamat back from the edges of parts that bolt down etc you should be ok.

Dynamat and similar products are great at helping dampen the ringing or resonance of panels. If you tap on a panel or specific area and it resonnates or rings, or if there is a lot of noise coming from the other side of the panel i.e. an engine, driveline & road noise, wheel wells etc adding Dynamat will help deaden that. It will even help slow the transfer of heat into an area...for a while.

If you really want to take it to the next level and reduce heat and noise, consider using insulating blanket type material and seal it with foil tape or even Gaffer's tape. Best results are achieved by using a solid layer of insulation sealed along the edges and seams to form a complete barrier aginst noise, heat etc.

The highest quality stuff I've found that also happens to be the least expensive is called "The Insulator" from Aircraft Spruce.

Use the thinner stuff they offer, cut out sections so that it lays flat & covers every square inch of the floor & sides. The covering for my floor and 4-speed hump was made up of over a dozen separate pieces all taped together to form a contoured solid sheet that lies down tightly against the floor.

My carpet went right over it like it wasn't really there. Same with my door panels and headliner. I held the edges back slightly from things like the sill plates, seatbelt holes etc.

The difference of adding The Insulator pad over using just Dynamat is night and day. The combination of the two products regarding reducing noise, heat and vibration is nothing short of amazing.


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Re: Carpet fitment problems after installing Dynamat? [Re: jbc426] #1152889
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I used just enough Dynamat to dampen the resonnation of the panels, when I hit them with my hand. As you can see, the entire panel does not have to be covered. I did cover the firewall area completely though.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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...and then covered as much of the panel with The Insulator as would not interfer with the intallation of the door panel being sure to seal the edges and openings with foil tape.

I did the entire interior of the car like this top, sides and floor and had no problems with fitting panels or carpet.

Once the interior was all back in, you can't even tell the stuff is in there. I used a double layer on the floorboards, but it doesn't feel like it when you puch on the carpet etc. It really is amazing stuff.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
Re: Carpet fitment problems after installing Dynamat? [Re: jbc426] #1152891
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Is this the stuff you are talking about and did you get the 2ft wide or 4ft? http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/insulator3.php

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Is this the stuff you are talking about and did you get the 2ft wide or 4ft? http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/insulator3.php




I recommend the 2 ft wide. It's easier to work with. I used an old but freshly sharpened pair of shears to cut it.

In some areas, you can use larger pieces, but with all the odd shapes, curves and angles you've got to cover inside the car, you're going to also end up with a bunch of small pieces that get taped together to cover like a solid sheet, much like a dressmaker uses a bunch of small parts to make one well-tailored garmet.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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My camera was misplaced when I did the floor, but it was comprised of a dozen or more separate pieces to make one solid sheet. It fit the floor like it was molded to it when finished and could be lifted out in one big piece, and sealed the entire surface of the interior.

I also like to tape all the edges to keep the edges clean looking. The black tape you see here is Gaffer's Tape. The stuff they use in the film movie industry. It's water resitant, durable and sticks well. I also use that foil tape they sell at Home Depot etc.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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Ok, so you didn't actually spray adhesive to the back of the insulation. Except for the roof, right? It looks like the 2ft sections are sold out since I can't get that right now. How much did you end up using?

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Ok, so you didn't actually spray adhesive to the back of the insulation. Except for the roof, right? It looks like the 2ft sections are sold out since I can't get that right now. How much did you end up using?




Correct, I only glued up the headliner sections. I have to try and look up the amount I used.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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having done this kind of thing to a bunch of cars, ill give a few tips.

1. don't buy name brand dynamat. its ridiculously overpriced for what it is. i use http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/117/3497/=fqjmp1 the plastic 10% sheets. works very well. use a heat gun and J roller to work it in tight to the sheet metal. prep the surface, even if freshly painted, with a pre-painting prep. you want it as clean as if you were about to lay down a top coat of 100 a gallon paint.
2. you only need to do about 80% of the interior. the last 20% really doesn't get you any noticeable results. i use the thump method. if i hear a tinny sound, a vibration, an oil canning, etc,. anything other than a dull thud, it needs it. if,m like on the roof of my truck, theres a gap between a brace or other piece of sheet metal and the panel, work the sheet onto the gap. wit will eliminate the rattle.
3. use the stuff to cover over holes in inner structure. after you get the outer surface of the door done, do the inner structure in its entirety. you'd be SHOCKED at the sound reduction. same in the rear quarter and sail panel openings.
4. do the stuff under other bolt on parts. even when things are fastened sown tight, they still vibrate and rattle going down the road due to chassis flex.
5. cover it over with something like what has already been discussed. i prefer to put the foil side down, and glue it. adding mass to the large stamped panels in our cars really helps. do this in all the areas you can. especially the roof, firewall, floor, and trunk divider.
6. i also tend to use a third layer of insulation. i use the foil bubble wrap they sell at Lowe's as a final layer over everything. did this in my half ton, and it created amazing results with the heat and AC functioning.

i have only ever had one issue with doing this kind of stuff, and thats on a 79 corvette that i just finished. the carpets for those cars is notorious for being ill fitting (due to the production tolerances on the cars, and the various mid year changes, etc). still easily workable. just a little less defined and form fitting than i prefer. but i honestly think that was the carpets fault. on that car, due to the carpets, i only did the "dynamat" and the bubble wrap. not enough room for anything else.

a good way to estimate how much material you need is to take a tape measure and measure the various big areas of the car, rounding UP to the nearest foot. so say that you have a trunk 54X61 inches. thats 20 square feet rounded up. (5ftX6ft) reason you round up is to account for contours, mis cuts, etc. you'll wind up with some left over, but its a lot better than running out.

lastly, look at your carpet choice. stockinteriors.com has what they call the mass backing option. this is similar to what GM started doing in the 80's on their carpets. its about 1/8 inch of rubber bonded to the backs of the carpets. amazing sound reduction there as well.

hope i gave you some solutions. not all that expensive when you add it up, but labor intensive. worth every minute, though. my duster has 400HP at the wheels, with 3 inch exhaust. its as quiet as my wifes stock 2002 Subaru legacy GT wagon on the inside at 65. except for the wind noise from my windows. (still working on that solution)


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You can buy Dynamat Extreme bulk packs from Amazon dot com for about 1/2 price with free shipping. At that price, it's hard to beat. I used 2 bulk packs in my last car.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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You can buy Dynamat Extreme bulk packs from Amazon dot com for about 1/2 price with free shipping. At that price, it's hard to beat. I used 2 bulk packs in my last car.




Exactly...I used it in a semi truck, well worth it.

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You can buy Dynamat Extreme bulk packs from Amazon dot com for about 1/2 price with free shipping. At that price, it's hard to beat. I used 2 bulk packs in my last car.




Exactly...I used it in a semi truck, well worth it.




I put 8 bulk packs in a Mercedes I had. While it really helped the sound of the stereo in that car. Truth is, if I use just enough Dynamat to partially cover the problem panels and deaden their resonance. I would have saved a lot of money by not covering the entire interior and trunk. I could have used strips of Dynamat with space between the strips to get nearly the same result. That's how they do aircraft. It helps keep the weight down too.
Subdueing the resonnance of the panels when you tap on them is what your after. Once you've accomplished that, The Insulator pad works better at keeping heat noise and vibration out. It's way cheaper and easier to install and remove as well.


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1968 Plymouth Barracuda Convertible 408 Magnum EFI with 4 speed automatic overdrive, 3800 stall lock-up converter and 4.30's (closest thing to an automatic 5 speed going)
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You can buy Dynamat Extreme bulk packs from Amazon dot com for about 1/2 price with free shipping. At that price, it's hard to beat. I used 2 bulk packs in my last car.




Yep. I ordered two bulk packs from Amazon last night. Also ordered the Dynaliner 1/4" pad for the firewall.







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