Re: Carb reccomendation......please
[Re: Roadrunner451]
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01/03/12 12:19 PM
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Labrat and myself did so testing on his car(440) and he had a 850 on it and it would launch great with the 850 but with the 1050 it would make more torque and spin the tires... if I recall right it had better mph with the 1050 but with spinning and the 850 had a better ET due to traction
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Re: Carb reccomendation......please
[Re: Roadrunner451]
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01/03/12 02:25 PM
01/03/12 02:25 PM
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I would not run a dual plane on an engine that big, ever. Efi will not like it either..
Back to the carb question. We run a pump gas 512 RB motor with EZ1 unported heads and the Indy intake with a 4150 in a 950cfm Proform carb, and I have to say with over 132mph in the quarter, it kicks butt. I like the 950 on a milder motor over the bigger carbs so far. Easier to jet and tune. We would gain a little on the top, but I am not sure that the bottom would improve at all, if any, but we didn't have a really nice new QF dominator, ours is a much older one.
The cam and convertor are what need to pull the signal on the carb for it to work when the timing is set. If you have an overly tight converter for what you are doing, or a rather tall gear, then an annular booster carb might be more in line for a more sensative transition. They are more responsive than down leg boosters, and work well on the street. A race engine doesn't function for but a fraction of a second during the transition, where you engine may live in that zone. A 4150 in either a 950 or 1050 would be the best choice, and maybe with annular boosters. I would call one of the carb shops and get it straight from them to be sure. Is you QF1050 an annular booster carb? If it is, there is a good chance, that will runn really awesome.
Last edited by Dragula; 01/03/12 02:29 PM.
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Re: Carb reccomendation......please
[Re: Roadrunner451]
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01/03/12 02:26 PM
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So dabeast2, what is it you don't like about the 1050 ? is that a 4500 or a 4150 ? I would have prefered the indy dual plane on my motor as well, but they do not make it for the low deck. I think Streetwize had the Indy dual plane on his 512 and it worked really well if I remeber correctly. That's a big problem with the low deck, there's not much of an intake manifold selection. Even something like a super victor would probably work better, but alas, it is not available to us low deck guys. Fuel injection would be ok too, but is kind of expensive. I'm not that up on it to try a megasquirt deal.
It’s a 4150. The QF 1050 is a race carb. The main thing I don’t like is at low rpm I don’t believe I have enough venture velocity to properly atomize the fuel. The QF 1050 has big ventures. Smaller carb smaller primary venture equals better atomization. The other issue is the single plain intakes large plenum volume. As I said I rarely turn this engine above 3000 rpm. I usually run down the interstate at 2400 rpm at 75 mph. Now if this was a race only engine my current carb intake setup would be fine. As for EFI I’m looking at Fast's EZ setup with a rail system. The other option is the new MSD Atomic EFI, but I think I would prefer a dry intake system (Fast EZ with rail) over a wet intake (MSD Atomic).
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Re: Carb reccomendation......please
[Re: Roadrunner451]
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01/03/12 03:53 PM
01/03/12 03:53 PM
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I have a pump gas low deck 518 (4.375borex4.300 stroke)in my Duster, 3450 Lbs. with Indy SR M.W ports on my car. I have treid both the 400-2 and 400-3 intakes, I have tried both on the car with a Holley 850 D.P.,it is a 4781-6 non HP , and a 1.5 inch phenolic spacer. I have used the 400-3 a with a cloverleaf 1.5 inch phenolic spacer and several different Holley 1050 Dominators, 9375 with standard boosters, 9375 custom with annular boosters and a 9375-2 HP with standard boosters. Don't confuse the standard dominator boosters for annular boosters in them , there is a big difference My car runs faster at the track with the bigger carbs, I do have a dual wide ban and I'm working on cleaning up the mixture on the idle and trasnition circuits on all of the carbs, that makes a heck of a difference in the way they drive on the street Put the big one on it and work on the mixture at slow speed, don't change the primary jets for that, modify the idle and transition circuits to make it right BTW, is your big carb. a two circuit or three circuit carb? My Holley 9375 are two and the 9375-2 HP are three circuits, I had to open the primary side intermediate bleeds to .073 from .063 to get rid of a bad starting line bog on the HP carbs EFI would be neat but it is not in the cards for me now, maybe later when better changes start to occur next year
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Re: Carb reccomendation......please
[Re: Streetwize]
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01/03/12 07:17 PM
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I have a Pro systems 1000HP what was calibrated for a 720 HP motor on my 517 Low Deck that has a tad more compression and slightly better flowing heads but a little less cam 264/268 @.050 Bullet Hydraulic Roller. It's Killer, response is like a super comp motor.
I can get you the build number if you want.
Thats what i was thinking also, A 4150 based 1000HP series.
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Re: Carb reccomendation......please
[Re: joedust451]
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01/03/12 09:02 PM
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You have two of the most popular carbs you can possibly buy... I cant think of any reason not to try them both and see how they work... Its been proven those fancy $1K carbs run and make absolutely zero more power than the stock HP base carb tuned. Rebuild kits are just pennies compared to a new carb
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Re: Carb reccomendation......please
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01/04/12 10:16 AM
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I also agree with Bob, I'd try t ogo as far as you can with the ones you have first. I have 2 pro systems 1000HP's and I'm very happy with them. For a dual purpose car the calibration of the 3 circuit Dominator metering blocks has been spot on. For a true race only car you're primarily concerning yourself with the WOT tuning for max power and the shot. On a true street driven car the roll-on loading/transitional circuit is more critical to get just right, even though in a side by side dyno run 2 carbs properly jetted for max A.F power may not look like much of a difference, in real world driving that intermediate circuit tune can make a huge overall difference. Patrick seems to have a very good hand-hold on these big inch motors for street-strip use.
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