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Hemi or Wedge ? #1139350
12/19/11 04:57 PM
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Okay so I figured I will stick with the Duster and its now in the chassis shop being updated, with new chrome moly cage, ladder bar, ect. So my next question would be I'm buying a new block this year anyhow so I'm at a crossroad... Do I just stick with the 440 based, 4.375 bore, 4.50 stroke with max ported -1 heads or do I step up and build a Hemi. I have a friend with stage v heads that I could get a good deal on... and the rest of my wedge stuff will work with the Hemi.
I guess the real question is which would be the best bang for the buck. Thanks Guys

Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: 70dusterjohn] #1139351
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I didn't think it was possible to put the words "Hemi" and "bang for the buck" in the same paragraph.

Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: 70dusterjohn] #1139352
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Lots more WOW factor with the HEMI.
What would your dad have done?
As I am sure you already know, the big expense for the Hemi is in the heads and rocker system.
Yep you can use the same crank and rods from your wedge motor, U Would need new pistons & rings and cam, lifters/pushrods. A Hemi intake and you are all set. I raced Hemis fo ryears and never had any real issues as long as I kept the maintenance up on them. You could probably go just as fast with a wedge using todays heads and the good quench they provide.
BUT IT WOULDN'T B A HEMI


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Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: SCATPACK 1] #1139353
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Don't forget new headers for the hemi.


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Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: dannysbee] #1139354
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Yeah I know Hemis aren't cheap at all. I have been picking stuff up when I'd find it. So I have alot of Hemi parts. I guess the real question is would they perform about the same or would the Hemi have the edge cause of them heads ? The wedge if I go that route will be 543"....
Oh and dad never really cared for the Hemis. He always told me that a well tuned wedge would beat a Hemi... Now I know that to not alway is the case but that was dad.. he loves the wedge..

Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: 70dusterjohn] #1139355
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Oh and dad never really cared for the Hemis. He always told me that a well tuned wedge would beat a Hemi... Now I know that to not alway is the case but that was dad.. he loves the wedge..


I have been able to make a lot more power on the DTS engine dyno with a wedge than a hemi with similar C.I and compression Besides who wants to impress peolpe with looks when you can blow thier doors off with a "Lesser" motor Take the money it will cost you to convert to the hemi and buy some better parts for the wedge, good iron race block B1 heads, bigger carbs and or a better intake or

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Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1139356
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go with the wedge. did the hemi thing. looks impressive. who cares. seeya.

Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: 70dusterjohn] #1139357
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$ for $ you're not going to beat a wedge. Not saying it's a "better motor, just that for the avg Joe, with new aluminum heads and cams and so on, a wedge will run with any Hemi for 1/2 - 2/3rds the money.


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Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1139358
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$ for $ you're not going to beat a wedge. Not saying it's a "better motor, just that for the avg Joe, with new aluminum heads and cams and so on, a wedge will run with any Hemi for 1/2 - 2/3rds the money.





Agreed. You have a set of fully ported -1's and all the parts, and there is one thing your not considering....Will it fit? And I don't just mean will the heads fit between the two front cage bars and the fenders, but will the headers fit?

The other thing, is of course the cash needed to go that route....New block, new pistons, new heads, new cam, new push rods, new intake, new headers, new wires, etc...

I would go with a new aluminum block and the rest of your parts..


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

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Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: Dragula] #1139359
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Okay so now I have a game plan with the motor, what kinda numbers do you think it will run ?? 543 with max ported -1 tunnel ram two 1050s ahh dont know which cam but it will be a roller ? Its run a best of 9.79 with a 500" unported heads..

Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: 70dusterjohn] #1139360
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I built this car for ME . And I wanted a Hemi .
Plain and simple . Never looked back .............






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Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: 70dusterjohn] #1139361
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Okay so now I have a game plan with the motor, what kinda numbers do you think it will run ?? 543 with max ported -1 tunnel ram two 1050s ahh dont know which cam but it will be a roller ? Its run a best of 9.79 with a 500" unported heads..


I forgot to include buying a better cast iron race block on my first post on this,sorry So that being said buy a after market 4.500 bore cast iron block and used the crankshaft you have now and go for it 572 C.I., easy 850 HP + with two good 1050 Dominators


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Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1139362
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Hey John,
Where did you take your car to get worked on?
I need someone to mini-tub my Demon.
Let's see some pics. of your car.
I would build the wedge.

Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: demon440] #1139363
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It's all about the valve covers

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Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: 70dusterjohn] #1139364
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A HEMI WILL BE ABOUT 4500 / 6500 MORE MONEY NOW CHOOSE.

Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: robnbird] #1139365
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As far as I'm concerned, there is no right or wrong in "your' choice of the hemi or wedge.It's your ride and you in the seat!I had a similar decision 2 years ago, had all the goodies for a predator wedge setup, but thought the hemi was the answer. What did I do?
I had Nickens build me a 1000+ h.p.W-8 small block . WHY? I just wanted something that was a little different
Have a good X-mas and good luck
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Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: chryco] #1139366
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I built this car for ME . And I wanted a Hemi .
Plain and simple . Never looked back ..


I built my car for ME too. but I have a young family and they come way first, the car is well 2nd Plain and simple, I perfer a cost effective set up so its wedge all the way in this corner

Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: 70dusterjohn] #1139367
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MY first choice is a Hemi. However, having owned both types of engines I have to concede that the cost, added weight, complexity & sheer size of a Hemi makes it a toy more than a necessity for hobbyists. With todays technology you can easily get as much power, perhaps more consistenccy with a wedge than a Hemi. HOWEVER, there's nothing like a Hemi--it seems (to me) to drive & respond differently than a wedge & that alone is a HUGE plus in the "grin factor" equation...

Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: hemi-itis] #1139368
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It's all about the valve covers



Don't be offended by this (all in fun) but, with my 'wedge' eyes, I can see about 200lbs. of unnecessary weight from that pic. and I'm just talking pistons alone.

Re: Hemi or Wedge ? [Re: HardcoreB] #1139369
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I feel the same way as Chryco.Hemi all the way.

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Ain't nuthin like a HEMI !
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