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Re: Short rod taller piston vs. longer rod shorter piston? [Re: mshred] #1132769
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There are a bunch of SBC 2.100 journal rods from 6.00-6.125-6.20-6.250-6.30

Just about anything to fit what you need.

Re: Short rod taller piston vs. longer rod shorter piston? [Re: mshred] #1132770
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The crank would be chevy 2.1" rod journals so the next size down would be a 6.00" chevy rod. That would result in a piston with a compression height of 1.705" assuming a 9.6" deck height. Would the oil ring still be in the pin area?




You can still use a 6.125 chevy rod and that would should
clear the pin hole

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Re: Short rod taller piston vs. longer rod shorter piston? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1132771
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well, IF you use a 6.25" rod, assuming 9.6" deck height, that gives a 1.455" compression height, which is .002" shorter than the compression height on most diamond brand pistons for a 4" stroke/6.123-6.125" rod, so that gives you some off the shelf piston options.

as far as side loading, do the math. if you use a 6" rod, at 90 degrees from TDC or BDC, the rod is at a 18.4 degree angle from vertical. so 31.6% of the downward push is side loading. with a 5.7" rod, that increases to 19.4 degrees and 33.2%, with a 6.25" rod, it decreases to 33.3% at a 17.6 degree angle...that may not be where max side loading is at, since the downward force maximizes much earlier than 90 degrees after TDC....


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Re: Short rod taller piston vs. longer rod shorter piston? [Re: Al_Alguire] #1132772
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Get the piston made to suit your intended purposes, get the stroke you are after and wherever the rod length falls run it. Don't get all caught up in the rod/stroke BS. Have the piston built to withstand the HP and cylinder pressures you inted and get a rod made to fit the stroke with that piston.



Between Al's comments and Brians(IMM) that pretty much says it.
About the shortest compression height that the piston makers say is ideal, combined with the nearest common long rod length, would be my selection process. If you can come up with off the shelf pistons and rods that suit your build, all the better. It sure does make life simple in case there are unforeseen issues down the road.


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Re: Short rod taller piston vs. longer rod shorter piston? [Re: mshred] #1132773
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You are worrying about nothing.

Chevy pistons for a 6" rod 350 have a compression height of 1.25 or 1.26. The oil ring is safely above the wristpin in those. Consider the 5.7 Hemi engine. Its stock compression height is around 1.25. Chevy LS motors have a CH of 1.31 - 1.34. These are engines that have to meet emissions for 100K miles. If you check it out almost every engine designed in the last 10 years has a compression height of 1.4 or less.

I'd say almost what was said above, pick a stroke and block, pick a rod you want to use and get a piston to match. For example, I might see some Oliver 6.350 chevy rods on the 'bay. So for my 9.60" block I'd pick the 6.350 rods, a 4" crank and 1.25" shelf chevy pistons.

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Re: Short rod taller piston vs. longer rod shorter piston? [Re: dogdays] #1132774
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so it looks like general consensus is that the shorter pistons will be fine, and that the dwell theory really seems to be kinda moot in the grand scheme of things?

Re: Short rod taller piston vs. longer rod shorter piston? [Re: dogdays] #1132775
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You are worrying about nothing.

I'd say almost what was said above, pick a stroke and block, pick a rod you want to use and get a piston to match. For example, I might see some Oliver 6.350 chevy rods on the 'bay. So for my 9.60" block I'd pick the 6.350 rods, a 4" crank and 1.25" shelf chevy pistons.

R.



here, fixed it for ya.
and then relocate the chevy 23 degree valve pockets to the correct location and lay them back to the 18 degree angle.


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