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Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: slantzilla] #1124822
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Doesn't matter how you look at it, 4.48 IS FAST. All the worrys about what suspension this guy is working with boil down to a simple fact. He knows how to modulate rear axle reaction to 2000+ hp with whats under the car.


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Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: 6PKRTSE] #1124823
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Those time are awesome. That car rocks & many other Chevy's out there doing it. Yes, we need more Mopar's out there doing this as well. We all know it cost more to build a Mopar.
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Get that Duster back out at Milan. Your build is further along than mine so you will probably beat me out there to take on all of these Chevy's & Mustangs we have in Drag Radial on those Friday nights.




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Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: joshking440] #1124824
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These have been the worst responses I have ever read.......

No torsion no care..... Who cares if it's torsion or coil over.... 4.68 seconds to the eight on a drag radial tire did you miss that part of the title

Cal tracs are way closer to stock suspension than any of the beloved ss/ah or NSS car, and it's not far from stock at all.... It's a mono leaf spring and a traction bar for god sake.

Fast cars are cool..... But this is not the same eague people.....

And yuck, if you can do it, than prove it......


This is the direction drag racing is going and if mopar people don't get on board we will all be hanging out watching the same 200 cars go down the track till the folks that own them pass away.....




U mad bro? I was joking, maybe u missed the smilie. That is flying on leafs, I am building a turbo duster on stock suspension including torsion bars. I've been to ducks race, and countless no time/grudge races in other states. I chose to build my car my way, and could care less how u or anyone else builds theirs. I even bracket race on 275s lol

Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: redruM] #1124825
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Here is a Mopar from another thread that is haulin the mail. Smooth as silk and no wheelie and Independent rear @ 3600 lbs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYpx-0HJMQ4

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Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: John Burdine] #1124826
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Brandon Fugler's 69 Camero 4.48 @ 169
3100 lbs
Leaf springs
No anti roll bar
Naiser built 622
Mfi on alcohol/Procharger
315 radials without beadlocks

now, where are the guys that say you must have lots of front suspension travel for a Caltrack car to work!




John look at a camaro real close to sometime.They have 3 sparkplugs behind the spindle where mopar has three in front of the spindle.


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Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: bdaz smblk] #1124827
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Brandon Fugler's 69 Camero 4.48 @ 169
3100 lbs
Leaf springs
No anti roll bar
Naiser built 622
Mfi on alcohol/Procharger
315 radials without beadlocks

now, where are the guys that say you must have lots of front suspension travel for a Caltrack car to work!




John look at a camaro real close to sometime.They have 3 sparkplugs behind the spindle where mopar has three in front of the spindle.




Good point for sure, but my car is slow and if i allow much travel up front my junk would flip over backwards.

Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: John Burdine] #1124828
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Good point for sure, but my car is slow and if i allow much travel up front my junk would flip over backwards.




You only use travel to get the weight moved onto the back tires, if you need it......like if the track is greasy or the front end is heavy......

Biggest mistake most guys make is taking away power when a car wheelstands....... Like I've said a thousand times, you NEVER take away power when a car wheelstands unless it's blowing the tires off with the front end in the air.....


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Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: Big Squeeze] #1124829
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It hauls azz for sure, but it is a Chevy. The point is if you work at anything long enough and you're not a meathead you can make just about anything work, at least eventually.

But yeah, it's fast alright and dang impressive.


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Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: Big Squeeze] #1124830
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Good point for sure, but my car is slow and if i allow much travel up front my junk would flip over backwards.




You only use travel to get the weight moved onto the back tires, if you need it......like if the track is greasy or the front end is heavy......

Biggest mistake most guys make is taking away power when a car wheelstands....... Like I've said a thousand times, you NEVER take away power when a car wheelstands unless it's blowing the tires off with the front end in the air.....


I am glad you explained that. some people think because their front wheels are in the air that thy are dead hooked. I have seen tires smoking with the front wheels in the air.

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Good point for sure, but my car is slow and if i allow much travel up front my junk would flip over backwards.




You only use travel to get the weight moved onto the back tires, if you need it......like if the track is greasy or the front end is heavy......

Biggest mistake most guys make is taking away power when a car wheelstands....... Like I've said a thousand times, you NEVER take away power when a car wheelstands unless it's blowing the tires off with the front end in the air.....


I am glad you explained that. some people think because their front wheels are in the air that thy are dead hooked. I have seen tires smoking with the front wheels in the air.




i understand this, i was saying their are some here that have said you need full front travel and loose shocks to make a fast caltrack car work, which is not true for all cars.

Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: John Burdine] #1124832
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That is true if your on the street... As me how I know

Re: leafspring car goes 4.48@169 sheesh! [Re: John Burdine] #1124833
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i guess we all see things very different, to me when someone like Dave Wolf can run at 3400 lbs on a 315 MT ET Street radial, stock style suspension and hang with an NHRA Pro Stock car, thats just plain cool. I dont care if he has 2 632's and 4 turbos, it still looks like a street car.





apples and oranges.

big power from nitrous/ turbo / etc.... anyone can do that.


not as impressive as Big n/a power.

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i guess we all see things very different, to me when someone like Dave Wolf can run at 3400 lbs on a 315 MT ET Street radial, stock style suspension and hang with an NHRA Pro Stock car, thats just plain cool. I dont care if he has 2 632's and 4 turbos, it still looks like a street car.





apples and oranges.

big power from nitrous/ turbo / etc.... anyone can do that.


not as impressive as Big n/a power.


no anyone can not do it.

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Good point for sure, but my car is slow and if i allow much travel up front my junk would flip over backwards.




You only use travel to get the weight moved onto the back tires, if you need it......like if the track is greasy or the front end is heavy......

Biggest mistake most guys make is taking away power when a car wheelstands....... Like I've said a thousand times, you NEVER take away power when a car wheelstands unless it's blowing the tires off with the front end in the air.....


I am glad you explained that. some people think because their front wheels are in the air that thy are dead hooked. I have seen tires smoking with the front wheels in the air.




i understand this, i was saying their are some here that have said you need full front travel and loose shocks to make a fast caltrack car work, which is not true for all cars.


wasn't talking about you John, just general statement.

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i understand this, i was saying their are some here that have said you need full front travel and loose shocks to make a fast caltrack car work, which is not true for all cars.




No, a Cal-Trac car needs travel to make it repeat, and work on anything but a great track.

4.48 is great, but what did it do on the other passes he made? How many times did he have to abort runs?


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i understand this, i was saying their are some here that have said you need full front travel and loose shocks to make a fast caltrack car work, which is not true for all cars.




No, a Cal-Trac car needs travel to make it repeat, and work on anything but a great track.

4.48 is great, but what did it do on the other passes he made? How many times did he have to abort runs?




Judging by the different colored front clip I would say at least once.


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apples and oranges.

big power from nitrous/ turbo / etc.... anyone can do that............




Apparantly you haven't done it!!!

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i understand this, i was saying their are some here that have said you need full front travel and loose shocks to make a fast caltrack car work, which is not true for all cars.


wasn't talking about you John, just general statement.




Exactly..... If the car has enough power to lift the front tires off the ground it won't need the stored energy of the front end to help......

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How many times did he have to abort runs?




Judging by the different colored front clip I would say at least once.




Now that's funny, Clark!!


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That is true if your on the street... As me how I know




how do you know? Ill listen.




because on the street, traction, typically, isn't as good as at the track, so most cars benefit from having an extremely loose front end to help get weight onto the back tires.....


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