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1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi #1123674
11/28/11 08:37 PM
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This car was originally an auto grand coupe car. The previous owner switched it over to a 440-6 car. I got the car about a year ago and haven't had time to get around to it. This is how it came to me:







So things got a bit out of hand.....

Motor gone





This should fit, a 5.7 FI hemi



We're making room for an A500 out of a dakota 318 pickup truck. You have to fix the cross member to get it to fit. A lot of people say you have to cut the floor, which is not the case. Took 3" wide 3/16 flat metal and shaped it to where it is flat against floor. Cut out center of cross member that goes up into the hump. Took 1/2" wide 1/8th thick metal and tack welded to the side of the 3" piece. We took a torch and heated up the 1/2" wide piece and shaped it. Until it was shaped all the way around. Did it on both sides, front and back. Heliarced inside and outside. Welded that back into the floor, it clears the transmission now without cutting the floorpan.

We tied the frame together to give more support. If you don't want to tie it together, at least go in front of cross member and put a piece of 2x3 tubing at a 45 degree angle to the frame for extra support for the cross member. We choose to tie the frame together properly. On an ebody car it is a tremendous help. These cars are so short and so wide, they tend to twist/flex.

An A500 is basically a 904 with a 2.74 low gear and an OD unit. We'll operate the OD unit with two switches. A 94 and earlier tranny, has a 3 prong plug. The two grounds operate the OD unit and lockup converter. When driving in town, you won't use them. On interstate you'll lock up the converter and the OD. You could run a 3.55 in town and on interstate it will act like a 2.50. When you get off the interstate you have to unlock them both via the switches. This is meant for a TOURING car, not a race car or car that will see track time. If you want to do that, use a 518

Use an A518 if trying to beat on the car. It's basically a 727. The problem with the 518 is that it doesn't have the 2.74 low gear, it has a 2.45. Driving around in town might be a bit of a dog. The 518 is going to have around 20lbs more weight spinning around in it as well.

Overall, we're hoping this will give us an additional 4-5mpg on the interstate. Can't wait to test it out and see.



Take the grill and everything else out as well:



Who needs an interior? We've decided to rewire the entire car by hand at this point. No need in not doing it at this point.



New dash:



A few nifty power options being added:




A few other things, but we plan on driving in January. Good thing we did all of this. When ripping the car apart, we found mud literally behind the door panels. This car was under water at some point is my guess. Dash was out of a different car as it was tagged in the back from the yard. So we took everything down and redoing it. Will be a GREAT cruiser when done.

Re: 1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi [Re: McCandlessboy] #1123675
11/28/11 09:19 PM
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The car looks great, I like your dash did you make it?

Re: 1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi [Re: McCandlessboy] #1123676
11/28/11 09:23 PM
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Very cool project.
Are you doing much to the hemi, or just as is?

Looks like some pretty cool mopar pieces in your shop too


68' Barracuda (4 speed) 64' Savoy (4 speed) 65' Satellite (girl tranny)
Re: 1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi [Re: TX9AAR] #1123677
11/28/11 09:28 PM
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The car looks great, I like your dash did you make it?




No, here it is: http://www.classicdash.com/shopping/1970...ter-Gauges.html

You can choose a bunch of different gauges. It fit perfect.

Re: 1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi [Re: 68shifter] #1123678
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Very cool project.
Are you doing much to the hemi, or just as is?

Looks like some pretty cool mopar pieces in your shop too




Nothing crazy, march pulley system will go on it. First time we're messing with fuel injection. Not trying to build a race car, just a solid cruiser that can pull mid/high 20's on gas mileage. There are a few mopars inside the garage

Re: 1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi [Re: McCandlessboy] #1123679
11/28/11 10:06 PM
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Keep us posted. I aquired this and only has 9K miles on it.
This swap is will be completely new for me so I am looking for tons of info to save me some trouble.

Re: 1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi [Re: mymcodebee] #1123680
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Keep us posted. I aquired this and only has 9K miles on it.
This swap is will be completely new for me so I am looking for tons of info to save me some trouble.




What are you going to be putting it in? We've done a few of these. Dad has one in his 300G. We put an SRT8 motor in a 61 plymouth:



We're going to put a 6.1 SRT8 in a 300D next.

Re: 1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi [Re: McCandlessboy] #1123681
11/29/11 09:56 AM
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Wow, nice...
Do you have a link to any pics I can check out.


It is going in a 71 barracuda ragtop.

Re: 1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi [Re: mymcodebee] #1123682
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This car has been under water for sure. We've removed everything from the car at this point. Rewiring the entire car. Talk about non disclosure when selling a car, but at least we're saving it. Here are some updated pictures:

Wiring on back of dash:



Wrapped back of panels to kill noise and heat:



Ron Francis wiring stuff:



Power windows:



Removed headliner and found tons of scaled rust, I would have had a convertible in 3-5 years at the rate it was going. Sound deadening in here as well:



Everything prepped inside:



Filling in tons of factory holes to make this all look smooth:



We have everything ready to start going back together. Once it starts going, we plan on finishing the car in a month. Just glad we saved this car from turning into a mess.

Re: 1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi [Re: McCandlessboy] #1123683
12/22/11 09:33 PM
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Looking good! Are you going to bring it to Farmington this spring? I'd love to see it in person and talk to you and your Dad about 5.7 swaps. I've got a low mile 5.7 out of a 2006 Magnum, and a 545RFE 5 spd automatic out of a 2 wd Durango that I'm going to put in a 70 Duster. Keep up the good work!

Re: 1970 cuda grand coupe, to 440-6 to hemi [Re: McCandlessboy] #1123684
12/23/11 01:18 PM
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Great project. For controlling your overdrive A500, look at this page:
http://www.transmissioncenter.net/SwapInformation.htm

In particular, look at the #727518 for controlling the transmission by way of vacuum. It is labeled for the 727 to A518 swap but it should still work on your A500.
If you get a chance, can you post a picture of the modified transmission mount piece? Dimensions would be nice too. I would love to do the same conversion. I went from a 904 to a 999 to get the same low gearing and a hydraulically controlled lockup. Looking for the same increase in fuel economy.
Thanks,
Craig


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Previous mopars: 62 Valiant, 65 Fury III, 68 Fury III, 72 Satellite, 74 Satellite, 89 Acclaim, 98 Caravan, 2003 Durango
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