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440 distributor install problem #1095704 10/16/11 06:43 PM 10/16/11 06:43 PM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 269 BC Canada 6 62440 OP enthusiast
62440 OP enthusiast 6 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 269 BC Canada	I went to install my distributor yesterday and it would not go all the way in. It's about 5/8" high. It seems like the distributor drive gear has been pushed up somehow and isn't meshed with the cam gear. I replaced the oil pump with a HV pump and then decided to go back to the stock pump. Do you think the shaft could have pushed the distributor drive gear up causing this problem or something else instead

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: 62440] #1095705 10/16/11 06:48 PM 10/16/11 06:48 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Quote: I went to install my distributor yesterday and it would not go all the way in. It's about 5/8" high. It seems like the distributor drive gear has been pushed up somehow and isn't meshed with the cam gear. I replaced the oil pump with a HV pump and then decided to go back to the stock pump. Do you think the shaft could have pushed the distributor drive gear up causing this problem or something else instead very definitely and this isn't the right forum.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: 62440] #1095706 10/16/11 06:48 PM 10/16/11 06:48 PM
Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 336 Delaware 07RT enthusiast
07RT enthusiast Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 336 Delaware	Sounds like the pump may not be lined up right. If so you would have pushed the shaft up when you tighter the pump. You may need to drop the pump, put the distributor back in then put the pump in.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: 07RT] #1095707 10/16/11 06:59 PM 10/16/11 06:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,399 Posting from 1893 in NW FL TheBlueBeast Too Many Posts
TheBlueBeast Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,399 Posting from 1893 in NW FL	Quote: Sounds like the pump may not be lined up right. If so you would have pushed the shaft up when you tighter the pump. You may need to drop the pump, put the distributor back in then put the pump in.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: TheBlueBeast] #1095708 10/16/11 07:53 PM 10/16/11 07:53 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	pull the inter gear & turn the pump hex with your priming rod a hair so you can get the intergear shaft to seat all the way and while you are right there I'd clock it so at TDC #1 compression it places the rotor under the particular cap terminal that maintains the OE #1 plug wiring diagram which lets the wires nestle neatly with the shortest lengths and maintaining that standardization may keep someone who works on it in the future from making a mental error regarding firing order live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: mikemee1331] #1095709 10/16/11 08:31 PM 10/16/11 08:31 PM
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,886 Lost and Spaced B bboogieart master
bboogieart master B Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,886 Lost and Spaced	very definitely and this isn't the right forum. I am confused, why would you say this? He asked a question and seeks an answer. Was this moved from some where else? I have mechanical Aptitude. I can screw up anything.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: 62440] #1095710 10/17/11 12:43 AM 10/17/11 12:43 AM
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cougar_cat_25 member Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 110 Grand Forks, ND	If you dont have a primer tool, I've noticed that the hex shaft will reach the pump just before the gears engage. So, I find the pump with the shaft, turn it, then mesh the gears.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: cougar_cat_25] #1095711 10/17/11 04:01 AM 10/17/11 04:01 AM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 269 BC Canada 6 62440 OP enthusiast
62440 OP enthusiast 6 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 269 BC Canada	Yes, I posted in the wrong forum. Anyways, I pulled the oil pump and the distributor drive shaft fell into place. Problem now is the slot in the shaft won't line up parallel to the cam shaft. I suspect I know what the problem is but I would like your opinion. I hope my suspicion is wrong and it's a easy fix.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: 62440] #1095712 10/17/11 05:31 AM 10/17/11 05:31 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Doesn't matter where the slot in the shaft is. You just turn the distributor until the rotor points at a spark plug terminal on the cap once you've rotated the crank to bring cylinder 1 to TDC on the compression stroke. That is now your cylinder #1 and you just move all your plug wires around in relation to that. If that makes the vacuum can hit the valve cover, pull the distributor, rotate the distributor's rotor 180* and try again.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1095713 10/17/11 07:29 AM 10/17/11 07:29 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 646 VA. M mosweethemi mopar
mosweethemi mopar M Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 646 VA.	Hey Don,t be like them chevy guys!!!!AND PUT NUMBER ONE JUST ANY WHERE! Put #1 cyl up compression storke! crank on TDC Drop your distributor gear in with the slot facing the fire wall , like in your pictures,If it dose not go in just turn your motor a little and it should just drop in.The slot should always be in line like your picture!Yes you can put number one any where but it will mess you vacuum up! rotor button should be at the bottom just back from the clip on your Distributor that should be number one always on our big block Mopars.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: mosweethemi] #1095714 10/17/11 07:57 AM 10/17/11 07:57 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest M MoparforLife Too Many Posts
MoparforLife Too Many Posts M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,200 Upper Midwest	Wondering why so many are advising turning the oil pump or reinstalling the pump to get the intermediate shaft installed. It is no different than installing after a rebuild or cam install. The hex on the intermediate shaft enters the oil pump long before it settles into the cam gear. Yes the slit in the intermediate shaft should be as close to the parallel with the engine center line as possible and the rotor pointing forward and lined up with the terminal that you install number 1 plug wire in and then follow the firing order counter clockwise around the cap from there.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: MoparforLife] #1095715 10/17/11 03:54 PM 10/17/11 03:54 PM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 269 BC Canada 6 62440 OP enthusiast
62440 OP enthusiast 6 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 269 BC Canada	The problem started when I put the oil pump on. The hex shaft didn't go into to pump because the distributor wasn't in the engine and the pump pushed the drive hex up off the cam gear and I didn't notice it. I was going by the instructions from the Haynes engine overhaul manual. They show it parallel so I thought it had to be dead on. I was worried that I may have put the timing chain on one tooth off.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: bboogieart] #1095716 10/17/11 06:39 PM 10/17/11 06:39 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa M mikemee1331 master
mikemee1331 master M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,154 bethlehem pa	Quote: very definitely and this isn't the right forum. I am confused, why would you say this? He asked a question and seeks an answer. Was this moved from some where else? yes it was moved from the General forum where he may never have gotten an answer. and , get #1 to TDC and move the shaft where it needs to be to align the dizzy to #1 and have 'wiggle' room for the vac adv.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: mikemee1331] #1095717 10/17/11 06:46 PM 10/17/11 06:46 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska R RapidRobert Circle Track
RapidRobert Circle Track R Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 36,041 Lincoln Nebraska	And some dizzys have a different bottom tang to top rotor clocking which compounds it. My the inter gear slot clocking (in the pics) can be set anywhere & I want it so #1 plug wire is in the OE location, just looks neat & prevents problems later on & if it (intergear slot in pics) ends up parallel (BB) or toward #1 (SB) so much the better live every 24 hour block of time like it's your last day on earth

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: mosweethemi] #1095718 10/17/11 08:21 PM 10/17/11 08:21 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts
DaytonaTurbo Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 21,318 Manitoba, Canada	Quote: Yes you can put number one any where but it will mess you vacuum up! How will it mess the vacuum up? So long as the vacuum can isn't hitting the valve cover and you can dial your timing in where you want it, I don't see a problem.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #1095719 10/17/11 08:25 PM 10/17/11 08:25 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Geez so much bad advice... Really, some of you should have some experience doing this before you post! 6876217-facepalm.jpg (107 downloads)

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: RapidRobert] #1095720 10/17/11 09:53 PM 10/17/11 09:53 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,168 Vancouver, WA MoparMarq super stock
MoparMarq super stock Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,168 Vancouver, WA	Quote: And some dizzys have a different bottom tang to top rotor clocking which compounds it. Can't speak to other distributors, but the FSM says that if the dist. shaft tang is horizontal, the rotor terminal should be in the 4:30 (or 10:30) position. 4:30 position is for TDC #1 firing. (This is as looking over the pass. fender.) Mine is not like that, but it works fine. #1 is at 9:00 position and intermediate shaft is clocked to the cam gear to put the rotor in the right position and vacuum can sticking up for adjustability. Wires come off rotor cap nicely, without any crossing over the cap and 5 and 7 wire don't pass near each other or cross over. BTW, wires are FireCore's 8mm pre-cut 383s and fit the engine fine in that position. I'm no Chevy guy by any means, but that's the nice thing about building your own car - if you know what you're doing and how it works, you can mod it to suit your taste. Same goes for the OP. If he looks at the FSM for the distributor clocking, he can place the intermediate gear in so as to put #1 anywhere he wants, as long as the vacuum advance can doesn't hit anything.

Re: 440 distributor install problem [Re: MoparMarq] #1095721 10/17/11 10:27 PM 10/17/11 10:27 PM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 269 BC Canada 6 62440 OP enthusiast
62440 OP enthusiast 6 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 269 BC Canada	Well I think I have my answer. Thanks Everyone for your replies. You have been a "Big Help" gy3 "One in Every Crowd"

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