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Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? #1092369
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I am going to upgrade my battery cables from 2awg to 2/0. The old cable ran from my battery in the trunk under the car up to the starter. It snaked around suspension parts through and over frame connectors and was tight in places so running the 2/0 in the same path doesn't seem possible. I would rather run the cable through the trunk along the left sill under the carpet and through the firewall to the starter. Is it ok to run the cable through the interior?


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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: tywebb2] #1092370
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Mine is in the interior. I don't know if it's legal, but that's where it is!

Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: tywebb2] #1092371
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I will assume you are asking if its legal... yes it is

Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: gsmopar] #1092372
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One more thing.....now I have the engine grounded to the frame in the front and the battery grounded to the frame in the rear. Is that ok or do I need to run a negative from the battery up to the engine?


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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: tywebb2] #1092373
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I weld a stud to the frame... front and rear and use
that as the ground.... then run a ground to the engine
besides using the motor plate

Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1092374
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Mine run through the interior, following the factory harness route along the left side. Perfectly legal. Just make sure to use grommets or a short length of rubber hose at possible chafe points.
Short ground at the back and one at the front are fine, no need for a full-length neg cable.

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Great thanks. I hope to have the new cables this week to install over the weekend. Hopefully they eliminate the hot start issues.


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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: tywebb2] #1092376
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If you have a uni -body, use your old #2 wire as the new ground from rear to front on the engine, you will notice the difference in starting


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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: tywebb2] #1092377
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Great thanks. I hope to have the new cables this week to install over the weekend. Hopefully they eliminate the hot start issues.


You can never have to many ground straps, just like money, fun, common sense, HP, traction and so on Really, all kidding aside, make sure and ground the holy beholy out of it


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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: rowin4] #1092378
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If you have a uni -body, use your old #2 wire as the new ground from rear to front on the engine, you will notice the difference in starting




Steel is a poor conductor of electricity. That, coupled with all the rusty spot welds on a unibody will benefit from a separate ground.



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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: tywebb2] #1092379
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One more thing.....now I have the engine grounded to the frame in the front and the battery grounded to the frame in the rear. Is that ok or do I need to run a negative from the battery up to the engine?




On where to run... safe to say there is non consensus. I ran mine outside the pass compartment. In case of problem, accident ect. the cable is a source of sparks and heat so I wanted it outside. I ran mine (1 guage) using a routing similar to the factory fuel line except on the left side. Lots of clamps and ribbed wire cover to prevent chafing.

On many cars, the chassis ground alone is enough. Just make sure your ground lugs catch more than sheet metal in the trunk or the fender apron. I caught a rail re-enforcing plate in the trunk and the edge of the front framerail in the front for my ground lugs. A seperate ground wire back to front (#2) added later still helped hot start.

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Good idea using the old #2 cable as a separate front to back ground. Why didnt i think of that? Right now I have a ground from a starter bolt to the frame in the front. I have a second ground from the battery in the back down through the trunk floor and boltedthe the frame rail below. Could I just run the front to back ground from a motor mount up the right side and bolted the the frame using the same bolt that the battery ground strap attaches at? Or would it need to run up to the negative battery post doing away with the short battery ground?


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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: tywebb2] #1092381
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look at the battery cable system that spaghetti menders sell

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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: coronetville] #1092382
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I will say that the negative side of your typical race car is usually sub par, when really it needs to be just as good or better than the positive. Considering the negative side of the battery is what really is Hot, and provides the flow of electrons.
In reality the whole frame is energized waiting to jump on the starter, fuel pump, fan what ever when the circuit is closed
They figured this out in the 40's and 50's but didnt want to change the standard system and battery around, causing more trouble and confusion.. but when it boils down it works the same way, but this is why the ground side needs as much attention as the hot side.


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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: Bob_Coomer] #1092383
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I have two ground wires from my engine block to the frame rail. One on each side. Then I have a 2ga. ground wire from the battery to the rear frame rail. If it isn't grounded well enough you will find out. Just try to start the car at night w/o any lights on. Any where you have a really close metal/metal point you could see sparks. Don't ask me how I know. My brother pointed this out to me one evening when he was visiting. I was getting an arc between my one header pipe and the inner fender. Not good. Put another heavier ground on the block and took care of that. Starter spins much faster now also.

Also go to NAPA and get a heavy duty fuse to put in your positive wire. I have a 300A fuse in mine. Yes it will still do some welding if the wire gets cut, but not as long as it would if it were not fused.

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Is the 300amp fuse something I need to get professionally installed in the line or does it bolt on one end? Any one have a link to one online?


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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: tywebb2] #1092385
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Here are some alternate points of view as to how you might perform your trunk mounted battery wiring - see the diagram at the bottom:

http://www.madelectrical.com/catalog/tm-1.shtml

Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: tywebb2] #1092386
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BTW, I run my cables inside the car under the sill plates to the fireweall and then out to the starter or starter relay


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Re: Battery in truck...cable under car or inside? [Re: tywebb2] #1092387
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Is the 300amp fuse something I need to get professionally installed in the line or does it bolt on one end? Any one have a link to one online?




Go to NAPA.com and type in 300 amp fuse. The fuse and fuse holder should come up. Nice holder that you can screw fast some where and then just bolt the cable ends to the mount. Simple!

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So I would take the line from my battery positive and bolt the lug end to the 300 amp fuse and then bolt the fuse to the post on the kill switch? Its that simple? The pic I saw on napa website looks like a fuse in middle with lugs to bolt to on each end. Is that the right one?


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