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OK 3th try with the E-85- update 10-14-11 #1082194 09/25/11 04:12 PM 09/25/11 04:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	So like to hear some input here about the set up. I have try to run this 2 times now. once 1/8. once 1/4 mile. Carry good fuel pressure all the way though the 1/4 mile. Had all kind of dumb things go wrong with this carb. from wrong set up to needle&seats leaking to strip out bowl screws. idle circuit plug up. strip out squirter screws.. accelerator pumps not working. I think I got everything fixed. little about the car first. 3600lbs- footbrake-30 over 440- eddy heads-590MP cam- cars runs 11.0s 1/4 mile 6.90 1/8 mile. I have had a Q/F 850 on it for years Done very well with it. This carb is a 950HP build by well know carb builder with e-85 carbs .I bought it second hand.Right now it has 84-94 jets and a 4.5 power valve in front. 30cc pumps with pink cams and 45 squirters. Might be a tad rich at idle ..might just be me not use to it. sits and idles great. have to idle it down to 900 rpms to get the idle fuel mixter screws to do anything ? but they do work. about 1200 rpms they don't seem to do anything. has IAB .067 and HSB .028. So does this sounds close ??

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082195 09/25/11 04:22 PM 09/25/11 04:22 PM
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Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th...	So is there a problem you are trying to fix? "Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon! 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082196 09/25/11 04:51 PM 09/25/11 04:51 PM
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RBDuster mopar R Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 581 Hamiltucky	Try 55 on the IAB and 26 on the HSB. Also lock out the distributor. Had same issues from a known builder. Made the above changes and got the carb to at least work. I will be seeing what size the air bleed restriction is next.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: RBDuster] #1082197 09/25/11 05:07 PM 09/25/11 05:07 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	IFR .042 Jones just wonder if I should be albe to ajust the Idle mixer screws at 1200 rpms ? I thought I should ? and if the jetting and air bleeds was close ?

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082198 09/25/11 05:17 PM 09/25/11 05:17 PM
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emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	I thought that E85 required around 30% more jet than gas, I have run 91 square on my 414 @ 1000 cfm with good results

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: emarine01] #1082199 09/25/11 05:24 PM 09/25/11 05:24 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Yes 30% is what they say. My gas carb is jet'ed at 73-78

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082200 09/25/11 05:38 PM 09/25/11 05:38 PM
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emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	Whats the largest cfm/jet combo you tried on gas?

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082201 09/25/11 05:43 PM 09/25/11 05:43 PM
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sshemi top fuel S Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden	my guess is that fuel starts to come through the boosters at 1300 rpms thats why the mix screws do VERY little change. Really not a prblem but if its a street car it can be difficult to get the mix perfect throuout the circuits.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: emarine01] #1082202 09/25/11 05:50 PM 09/25/11 05:50 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: Whats the largest cfm/jet combo you tried on gas? I have had my 850 Q/F up to 78-86.. It runs run fine there but it is way to moody to the air change.Around here you may see 1800 da to 4500 da in a days time. Not good to keep up with bracket racing. and they tell me my Q/F= quick fuel carb flow 930 cfm

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: sshemi] #1082203 09/25/11 05:51 PM 09/25/11 05:51 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: my guess is that fuel starts to come through the boosters at 1300 rpms thats why the mix screws do VERY little change. Really not a prblem but if its a street car it can be difficult to get the mix perfect throuout the circuits. No street car and it seems to idle fine..Might be one of them things I am looking at to fix and it's not really broke LOL

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082204 09/25/11 05:58 PM 09/25/11 05:58 PM
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emarine01 master E Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,695 nc	Ok... I thought you had a longer stroke engine.... It all makes sense now

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: emarine01] #1082205 09/25/11 06:01 PM 09/25/11 06:01 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: Ok... I thought you had a longer stroke engine.... It all makes sense now stock stroke..I am gald it makes sense to you ! Now expain it to me LOL

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082206 09/25/11 06:08 PM 09/25/11 06:08 PM
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Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th...	Quote: IFR .042 Jones just wonder if I should be albe to ajust the Idle mixer screws at 1200 rpms ? I thought I should ? and if the jetting and air bleeds was close ? The throttle plate is open to far so it's past the idle circuit. Are there any holes in the throttle plates? If not try opening the secondary plates and closing the primary some. If that doesn't work you may need to drill holes in the primary plates or if it has holes they may need to be larger. This is so you can get the air flow needed but still keep the plates closed enough to use the idle circuit. "Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon! 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: Guitar Jones] #1082207 09/25/11 06:18 PM 09/25/11 06:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: Quote: IFR .042 Jones just wonder if I should be albe to ajust the Idle mixer screws at 1200 rpms ? I thought I should ? and if the jetting and air bleeds was close ? The throttle plate is open to far so it's past the idle circuit. Are there any holes in the throttle plates? If not try opening the secondary plates and closing the primary some. If that doesn't work you may need to drill holes in the primary plates or if it has holes they may need to be larger. This is so you can get the air flow needed but still keep the plates closed enough to use the idle circuit. This what I thought. But I am not not a great carb guy so I thought maybe I needed to change the IAB or something like that. drilling the holes is a old school trick I have done to older carbs that did't not have adjustable air bleeds.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082208 09/25/11 07:00 PM 09/25/11 07:00 PM
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th... G Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music!
Guitar Jones Paddle faster! I hear banjo music! G Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 20,640 in a cattle trailer down by th...	Quote: Quote: Quote: IFR .042 Jones just wonder if I should be albe to ajust the Idle mixer screws at 1200 rpms ? I thought I should ? and if the jetting and air bleeds was close ? The throttle plate is open to far so it's past the idle circuit. Are there any holes in the throttle plates? If not try opening the secondary plates and closing the primary some. If that doesn't work you may need to drill holes in the primary plates or if it has holes they may need to be larger. This is so you can get the air flow needed but still keep the plates closed enough to use the idle circuit. This what I thought. But I am not not a great carb guy so I thought maybe I needed to change the IAB or something like that. drilling the holes is a old school trick I have done to older carbs that did't not have adjustable air bleeds. You can make the circuit richer or leaner with the bleed but if the throttle is open past the transfer slots it won't make a difference. "Follow me the wise man said, but he walked behind" '92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion. '74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NV4500, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Rear disc and hydroboost coming soon! 2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: Guitar Jones] #1082209 09/25/11 08:24 PM 09/25/11 08:24 PM
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11secondC mopar 1 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 577 Grand Rapids, MI	This is how my 850 is setup... 86/95 4.5" PV - 50cc pumps, Brown Cam's and 54 squirters. .026" HSB .043" IFR .081" PVCR .067" LSB Definitely lockout your distributor aswell...

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: 11secondC] #1082210 09/25/11 08:32 PM 09/25/11 08:32 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: This is how my 850 is setup... 86/95 4.5" PV - 50cc pumps, Brown Cam's and 54 squirters. .026" HSB .043" IFR .081" PVCR .067" LSB Definitely lockout your distributor aswell... wow you are really dumping the fuel with the pump/squirters. makes me fell better about bumping that all up. carb cam with orange cams and 37 squirters. Car would not leave the line went to pink cams and 42 squirters that help. So I got 45 in there now..I might need to go more !

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082211 09/25/11 09:35 PM 09/25/11 09:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC	Quote: has IAB .067 and HSB .028. So does this sounds close ?? Yes, that sounds close. But every combo can be slightly different. The metering blocks and boosters will effect the main jets and air bleeds needed. Smaller on both air bleeds might help. From what I have seen, richer WOT might be worth trying, those 84/94 jets are not big for E85. 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: 440Jim] #1082212 09/25/11 09:41 PM 09/25/11 09:41 PM
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ajcasini mopar A Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 686 PA	Jamie your engine is very close to one I ran a few year back. I ran an 825 demon on mine and setup was .026 hsb .063 iab .042 ifr 87 pmj 4.5 pv 96 smj 045 squirter w pink cams This setup netted me quite a few wins and awesome consistency. I did the carb myself. One this the 950 hp carb you have is smaller than you 850 qf. Aj

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: ajcasini] #1082213 09/25/11 09:43 PM 09/25/11 09:43 PM
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ajcasini mopar A Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 686 PA	Also what issues were you seeing with the car?

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: ajcasini] #1082214 09/25/11 10:27 PM 09/25/11 10:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Well I will run it Fri night with the set up in it and see where we get. and I will report back LOL Have not run it yet AJ now I got everything fix.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082215 09/26/11 08:19 PM 09/26/11 08:19 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Ok guy My wife read all this and wants to know if I got my distributor lock out and why not and why you guys think I should. So I had to explain what that meant and that I do not. and I not sure I agree with it. so Why would you want more timing at start up with e-85 than gas ?? I have 21 initial and 35 total all in at 1200 rpms

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082216 09/26/11 08:36 PM 09/26/11 08:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC 440Jim I Live Here
440Jim I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 16,925 NC	That sounds fine to me. 1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: 440Jim] #1082217 09/26/11 09:04 PM 09/26/11 09:04 PM
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ajcasini mopar A Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 686 PA	When I first converted mine I was setup with same timing curve you had. Ended up locking the distributor out to try it and made no difference. I was launching at 1800-2200 so I was full in after I torques up on the fb. You should be fine with that setup.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: 440Jim] #1082218 09/26/11 09:07 PM 09/26/11 09:07 PM
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69dart pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown	I dont understand why you want the timing locked out on E85 but not gas either? Since Jenny foot brakes the car make sure you have hollow squirter screws. Jamie this is the time to buy - I saw E85 for $3.02 at Polaris today. I'm considering finding a drum to fill up because it was up to $3.50 this summer. 33 Plymouth Roadster - 383 - 5.90 1/8th 9.58 1/4 68 Dart - 340 66 Belvedere - 400 Windy Hollow Garage - https://www.youtube.com/@windyhollowgarage

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: 69dart] #1082219 09/26/11 09:54 PM 09/26/11 09:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Yes we have the good hollow squirter screws. and yes I need to find a drum also !

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082220 09/28/11 04:51 PM 09/28/11 04:51 PM
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sshemi top fuel S Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden	dont listen to what jets someone elses different carb has. If it runs good leave it. If you start to change air bleeds you will offset the whole fuel curve.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: sshemi] #1082221 09/28/11 10:06 PM 09/28/11 10:06 PM
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QWK_ENUF top fuel Q Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,442 LOWELL IN	i have been running E85 now for three years now with no problems. i have a 3 circuit 1050 set up with the qwk fuel kit. i have went to 99 MJ and bumped up the timing 2 deg over my starting point in 2009. others i have converted also run with no problems. at MMW i ran a best of 9.89 with the trottle loose to run the 10.0 and john cope (CRT) ran a best of 9.94 and jerry hayes (MOPARPITTBULL) ran solid 9.80's with a smaller carb to slow it to the 10.0s. E85 ROCKS..... 6847033-plate2.jpg (46 downloads) WAXER

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082222 09/29/11 09:13 PM 09/29/11 09:13 PM
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VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Ok I started the car up today for the first time in two days..Man this thing is cold blooded . How is the rest of your cars.. is it a little lean ??

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082223 09/29/11 09:16 PM 09/29/11 09:16 PM
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11secondC mopar 1 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 577 Grand Rapids, MI	No worse than it was when it was on gas...

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082224 09/29/11 09:32 PM 09/29/11 09:32 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Ok I started the car up today for the first time in two days..Man this thing is cold blooded . How is the rest of your cars.. is it a little lean ?? Jamie, what was the ambient temp when you fired it up... E-85 is REAL cold blooded... I wont even attempt it if its 45* or lower(maybe closer to 50*) you have to pump the hell out of it to get it to fire and keep it lit till it gets some temp into the engine

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 (update 10-7-11) [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1082225 09/29/11 09:36 PM 09/29/11 09:36 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Did't look at the temp but I will say it was 55-60 degs in the garage..

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: VernMotor] #1082226 09/29/11 10:14 PM 09/29/11 10:14 PM
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69dart pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown	Cold starting is my only complaint with E85. I think that you run the same M1 intake that I run and maybe that contributes to the cold weather start-up issue. Save your starter and go buy several cans of starting fluid. Keep them in the trailer and garage for those 1st starts of the day. 33 Plymouth Roadster - 383 - 5.90 1/8th 9.58 1/4 68 Dart - 340 66 Belvedere - 400 Windy Hollow Garage - https://www.youtube.com/@windyhollowgarage

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082227 10/07/11 11:44 PM 10/07/11 11:44 PM
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VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	So it was lean.. hesitate.. ran hot.. so I jetted it up to 87-98.. and put .055 squirters in it and move the pump cams to #2 hole. still got some hesitation..so tomorrow I going to put brown cams on it and maybe bigger squirters. might jet the front up some more..But on the good side of it.It has been a while since I drove and I got in the gambler race and won it ! LOL

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082228 10/08/11 12:03 AM 10/08/11 12:03 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Making the most out of the little time Jennie let's you drive? Nice job bud

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: WILD BILL] #1082229 10/08/11 12:31 AM 10/08/11 12:31 AM
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Chad Bittle mopar Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 687 Ohio	I think dad, myself and Bill will be joing you tomorrow, Jaime.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1082230 10/08/11 12:42 AM 10/08/11 12:42 AM
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racerx master Joined: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,069 Mo.	Quote: Quote: Ok I started the car up today for the first time in two days..Man this thing is cold blooded . How is the rest of your cars.. is it a little lean ?? Jamie, what was the ambient temp when you fired it up... E-85 is REAL cold blooded... I wont even attempt it if its 45* or lower(maybe closer to 50) you have to pump the hell out of it to get it to fire and keep it lit till it gets some temp into the engine I've started my last Sunday temp. was between 40-45 in the morning u have to pump the hll out of it to get it to start and keep it running with the rpm up to get the heat in the motor.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: WILD BILL] #1082231 10/08/11 10:01 AM 10/08/11 10:01 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: Making the most out of the little time Jennie let's you drive? Nice job bud I got to keep my 1 win a year streak going !..Jenni can't pick on me to much that way LOL

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082232 10/08/11 10:04 AM 10/08/11 10:04 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Quote: Quote: Making the most out of the little time Jennie let's you drive? Nice job bud I got to keep my 1 win a year streak going !..Jenni can't pick on me to much that way LOL What ever you need to tell yourself

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: WILD BILL] #1082233 10/08/11 10:06 AM 10/08/11 10:06 AM
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tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,920 United Socialist States of Ame...	Bill....Maybe Jenni should drive your car!! Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: tboomer] #1082234 10/08/11 10:46 AM 10/08/11 10:46 AM
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RBDuster mopar R Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 581 Hamiltucky	Good job on the win.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082235 10/08/11 03:09 PM 10/08/11 03:09 PM
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11secondC mopar 1 Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 577 Grand Rapids, MI	Did it pick up any?

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: tboomer] #1082236 10/08/11 11:24 PM 10/08/11 11:24 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: Bill....Maybe Jenni should drive your car!! LMAO Now thats funny !!

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: 11secondC] #1082237 10/08/11 11:27 PM 10/08/11 11:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: Did it pick up any? NO I don't think so.. I just got home from the track..I will fill in with some details tomorrow.. I am too whip right now !

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082238 10/09/11 12:55 AM 10/09/11 12:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Bill....Maybe Jenni should drive your car!! LMAO Now thats funny !! What! no response from the blue guy?? I am shocked. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: dartman366] #1082239 10/09/11 01:13 AM 10/09/11 01:13 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Ok, you want a response.. Try this, If for any reason I was to become unable to drive my car, I would be quite proud to have Jennie behind the wheel. At least till one of my own kids was up to the task. She is by far not only of the better drivers I've met but she is also a great person overall. I agree that I'm by no means a force to be reckoned with or someone that you should dread lining up against but as long as I can still get behind the wheel I will continue to do my best to hold my own. Besides, I don't think she could come to terms with dying her hair blue

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: WILD BILL] #1082240 10/09/11 11:04 AM 10/09/11 11:04 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Quote: Besides, I don't think she could come to terms with dying her hair blue Well Now I would not rule that out ! LOL She like blue her racing jacket and gloves are blue and she had me paint her last JR blue.And she had a lics plate made in blue for the back of the car. so the car had some blue on it !! And she realy Like to run in the 10.00 class..So if I was you I would not give her that chance LOL..She just might take you up on it !!...You know if we did't luv ya Bill we would not pic on ya !

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082241 10/09/11 11:21 AM 10/09/11 11:21 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Now back to this Carb,,Not sure I like it !! the driveability Of this thing $ucks..way too cold blooded and once it wram up trying to give it light throttle it hesitation trying to just move the car a little in the staging lanes the Rpms drop down to far it dies..say below 700-800. It will once warm sit there and idle at 150 deg all day long. but over all it don't run cooler . It is a little slower and and so far I do not see it more consistent. I got away from the hesitation on the line by raising the launch rpms by 300 rpms But that makes it way to easy to red eye..Not good. I now have 90-97 jets and .055 squirters in it with pink cam on #2 hole.Dumping alot of fuel in there. after the run turn off the track look at the Temp it is 205 degs ..180 when I stage 150 pulling in to the water box.I am bout to put 50cc pumps on it ! Not sure what else to do to it

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082242 10/09/11 11:32 AM 10/09/11 11:32 AM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club
WILD BILL Senior Member of the Junior Dragster Club Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,542 BROOK PARK, OH	Sounds like there's hope for her yet As for the carb, while I wont pretend to know anything about E85 My Alky carb has a 50 and a 30 cc pump. I think the 50 is in the front but I could be wrong. Also, a lean out valve is a sure fire method of getting heat in the motor. Getting the oil hot is paramount as I learned at the Mo Power race. Sometimes I would have the LO valve open till I was ready to do my burnout. I have had to, when it's real cold, pour gas down the throat of the carb to get it to fire for the first time in the morning. After that it wasn't an issue. I've also found that if I give it a pump, then start the motor spinning and then lite it it would fire easier. I also don't turn the fuel pump on till after the motor is running as Alky can easily overcome the needles and pour out the boosters.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082243 10/09/11 12:52 PM 10/09/11 12:52 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden S sshemi top fuel
sshemi top fuel S Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,128 sweden	Quote: Now back to this Carb,,Not sure I like it !! the driveability Of this thing $ucks..way too cold blooded and once it wram up trying to give it light throttle it hesitation trying to just move the car a little in the staging lanes the Rpms drop down to far it dies..say below 700-800. It will once warm sit there and idle at 150 deg all day long. but over all it don't run cooler . It is a little slower and and so far I do not see it more consistent. I got away from the hesitation on the line by raising the launch rpms by 300 rpms But that makes it way to easy to red eye..Not good. I now have 90-97 jets and .055 squirters in it with pink cam on #2 hole.Dumping alot of fuel in there. after the run turn off the track look at the Temp it is 205 degs ..180 when I stage 150 pulling in to the water box.I am bout to put 50cc pumps on it ! Not sure what else to do to it i am suprised that it doesnt already have 50 cc pumps. i pretty sure you have way too much jet in it. Too much fuel will make it stall after a rump. And if you use the 50 cc pumps i bet your hesitation will go away. Or... if you send me 20$ and the carb ill take care of it.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082244 10/09/11 02:33 PM 10/09/11 02:33 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,454 Glendora Ca. J Just-a-dart pro stock
Just-a-dart pro stock J Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,454 Glendora Ca.	I found my old combo wanted a lot of pump shot when I foot braked from 1800 on E85, Ended up with 50cc pumps front and back and 50 shooters. 60' times got better till I ended up there. This was on a Indy headed 408 with a hp950. My you will need at least 1 50cc pump to get the pump shot duration you need(the bigger the shooter the faster the pump is empty) when the carb is happy I think you will be happy with e85's performance/cost. "Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: Just-a-dart] #1082245 10/09/11 03:41 PM 10/09/11 03:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	I have 2 50cc pumps here..I be putting them on..I just needed a little push to do so LOL

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082246 10/09/11 04:54 PM 10/09/11 04:54 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 687 Ohio Chad Bittle mopar
Chad Bittle mopar Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 687 Ohio	You gonna be at pacemakers again next weekend Jaime?

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: Chad Bittle] #1082247 10/09/11 06:28 PM 10/09/11 06:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Yes sir be with a improve carb LOL

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082248 10/10/11 12:35 PM 10/10/11 12:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown 69dart pro stock
69dart pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown	You shouldn't need 50cc pumps. Sounds like the wrong air bleeds to me. What size air bleeds did you stuff in there? I can pull the 950 off my dart if you want to try my carb so you can copy it. The dart has wicked throttle response and never any kind of hesitation but you know how long it took me to figure it out. 33 Plymouth Roadster - 383 - 5.90 1/8th 9.58 1/4 68 Dart - 340 66 Belvedere - 400 Windy Hollow Garage - https://www.youtube.com/@windyhollowgarage

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: 69dart] #1082249 10/10/11 03:08 PM 10/10/11 03:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	I have not change the air bleeds in it. they are listed in my first post ? what do you have in yours? Are you going to pacemakers this weekend ?

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082250 10/10/11 06:00 PM 10/10/11 06:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 581 Hamiltucky R RBDuster mopar
RBDuster mopar R Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 581 Hamiltucky	On my 850 (E-85) I have 50cc pumps and brown cams. I do believe the 950 has better throttle response than an 850.

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: RBDuster] #1082251 10/10/11 06:09 PM 10/10/11 06:09 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Well mine is a 950HP..We will get there I keep reading and it will all sink in sooner or later LOL.I do believe that part of problem is in the air bleeds. but do not know for sure what way to go..Dang gone thing sits there and idles so well I hate to mess with the IAB

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: RBDuster] #1082252 10/10/11 07:47 PM 10/10/11 07:47 PM
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,036 bean town ....Ca W WHITEDART master
WHITEDART master W Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,036 bean town ....Ca	from what i seen with e85 power value in the can 4 jet the same like 99 holley 2 50 cc pumps 2 50 cc sq lock out dis run it lean out from there just a idea???????????????????????????????? good luck if that dont work i been told you can pour e85 through a loaf of bread and drink it and talk about racing In the 8s N/A.with Brett miller W8's 5.07 at 133 at 2700lb

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: WHITEDART] #1082253 10/12/11 09:47 PM 10/12/11 09:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown 69dart pro stock
69dart pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown	Jamie my 950 has 63 and 28 air bleeds. I'm not sure about jetting - I can pull the bowls or search the log books if you need. 33 Plymouth Roadster - 383 - 5.90 1/8th 9.58 1/4 68 Dart - 340 66 Belvedere - 400 Windy Hollow Garage - https://www.youtube.com/@windyhollowgarage

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: 69dart] #1082254 10/14/11 10:16 PM 10/14/11 10:16 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Ok well I have wonder over to the E-85 race board on this deal..But I want to post a link to that so everyone know what all changes I made and what has happen..Geting happy with it now LOL http://raceone85.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=999&page=1

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082255 10/15/11 10:35 AM 10/15/11 10:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown 69dart pro stock
69dart pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown	I run 45 squirters with 30cc pumps. Dont forget your starting fluid its going to be cold this weekend. 33 Plymouth Roadster - 383 - 5.90 1/8th 9.58 1/4 68 Dart - 340 66 Belvedere - 400 Windy Hollow Garage - https://www.youtube.com/@windyhollowgarage

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: 69dart] #1082256 10/15/11 11:15 AM 10/15/11 11:15 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,131 New Lenox IL cudadon top fuel
cudadon top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 2,131 New Lenox IL	as was said bigger squirters empty the pump faster with 30cc pumps. my 950 I put 1 50cc on the front and it got rid of the hes. I think this will be more apparent in cool/cold weather. So makes sure engine is warmed up when you go to wide open throttle. Like the dart man said the single plane manifold is a cold man. I too dump gas in when it's 45* for first start. Something is wrong if you didn't get quicker with E 85. Keep going you will get it. Don 6872351-Launch5-22-11.jpg (87 downloads) http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p314/cudadon/BKD6_09_10_191A.jpg

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: cudadon] #1082257 10/15/11 12:51 PM 10/15/11 12:51 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	No longer cold blooded ..50cc pump on front. 45 shooters on both and IAB change.. Closing down rear throttle ..Made a big change in this thing ! we are close now..

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: VernMotor] #1082258 10/16/11 09:04 PM 10/16/11 09:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown 69dart pro stock
69dart pro stock Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,412 Johnstown	So I guess you'll agree that E85 works pretty well considering you won Saturday and got to the Semi's today. Your car was waaay more consistent than mine today. I think my 10 year old Goodyears have seen there last race. 33 Plymouth Roadster - 383 - 5.90 1/8th 9.58 1/4 68 Dart - 340 66 Belvedere - 400 Windy Hollow Garage - https://www.youtube.com/@windyhollowgarage

Re: OK 3th try with the E-85 update ( 10-7-11 ) [Re: 69dart] #1082259 10/17/11 09:13 PM 10/17/11 09:13 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor OP master
VernMotor OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	yea think it's close..little more tweaks we will be there..sun it was very consistent..too bad I went to sleep on ya! .. Glad to see you win it !

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