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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: viperblue72]
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08/30/11 10:57 PM
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The " grey" oil is a pretty good indication of something...typical when a cam goes bad....there seems to be a lot of mysteries here....but I bet it will be something basic was missed on the build, in the end.....although it may not be admitted....  ....good luck to you though, and hope it gets fixed. 
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: CompWedgeEngines]
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08/30/11 11:01 PM
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The " grey" oil is a pretty good indication of something...typical when a cam goes bad....there seems to be a lot of mysteries here....but I bet it will be something basic was missed on the build, in the end.....although it may not be admitted.... ....good luck to you though, and hope it gets fixed.
Hello! There are NO wiped lobes on the cam. I checked lift on all. They are all the same. Still looking, and I will admit if it was a build mistake. Too many wanting to know on this one! Take care, Jeff
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: 1969RR]
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08/30/11 11:29 PM
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well hes got 'grey' oil,? thunk 'in the motor when turned over by ratchet, and piston 'rockin in the bores' something amiss got to be some kind of bearing ,material, cam /crank /rod/, dead motor theat was hard to start, and no power when it did run, tear apart recheck everything, replace all the bearings, rings check and recheck of clearances , redo the timming if the 'machinest ' doesnt have quality in his pockets to determine the problem as to what happened, then find one who does,   
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: dennismopar73]
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08/30/11 11:40 PM
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Been following this and have to agree with Dennis. Would like to add CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN to Something is amiss and be glad it wasn't catastrofic. Take your time and find it. You have the power of Moparts with you  
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: roadhazard]
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08/30/11 11:48 PM
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my 2nd guess will be there is something very wrong with the carbs dumping way to much fuel in the motor.
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: sixpackgut]
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08/31/11 12:05 AM
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my 2nd guess will be there is something very wrong with the carbs dumping way to much fuel in the motor.
This will be my second Guess too.
The Cam timing as installed, by the Pics shows that it withen fine range to run Great.
Your 155 psi Comp is fine and matching for the combo.
Your Black plugs are a tell telling sign. Your either getting a dump load of fuel from one of your new 6 pac carbs or not getting the spark you need to ignite it at the right time.
The grey oil is not good. It could be the results of cylinder wash down of excess fuel in the cylinders, maybe taking out your rings to half life or more.
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: 1969RR]
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08/31/11 12:18 AM
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The " grey" oil is a pretty good indication of something...typical when a cam goes bad....there seems to be a lot of mysteries here....but I bet it will be something basic was missed on the build, in the end.....although it may not be admitted.... ....good luck to you though, and hope it gets fixed.
Hello! There are NO wiped lobes on the cam. I checked lift on all. They are all the same. Still looking, and I will admit if it was a build mistake. Too many wanting to know on this one! Take care, Jeff
Did you ever actually have a degree wheel on that
engine... I see you had a pic of the dot and 2 degrees
BUT did you have a wheel on it and actually measure it
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: Jeepmon]
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08/31/11 12:49 AM
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Speaking of a fresh set of eyes.. how are your eyes Mike? feeling better?
I only have issues with the left... it sucks right
now but it suppose to get better in a week or so
(hopefully)...
sorry for going off post to the OP
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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08/31/11 12:20 PM
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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08/31/11 01:42 PM
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The " grey" oil is a pretty good indication of something...typical when a cam goes bad....there seems to be a lot of mysteries here....but I bet it will be something basic was missed on the build, in the end.....although it may not be admitted.... ....good luck to you though, and hope it gets fixed.
Hello! There are NO wiped lobes on the cam. I checked lift on all. They are all the same. Still looking, and I will admit if it was a build mistake. Too many wanting to know on this one! Take care, Jeff
Did you ever actually have a degree wheel on that
engine... I see you had a pic of the dot and 2 degrees
BUT did you have a wheel on it and actually measure it
Mr. P, yes, I had degree wheel on twice, and again today to check. That is what I was really thinking was wrong. But, I now think it is correct. On to more checking! Jeff
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: 1969RR]
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08/31/11 02:26 PM
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Mr. P, cam card says it is 108CL, when I checked I came up with 109, so I put in at 107. Jeff
and you degreed it with a solid lifter in place??
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: Dodgem]
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08/31/11 05:31 PM
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Mr. P, cam card says it is 108CL, when I checked I came up with 109, so I put in at 107. Jeff
and you degreed it with a solid lifter in place??
Yup, solid lifter. I just checked 3 other intake lobes, all within .5 which probably is my eyes. Got engine torn completely down now. Only thing I see is some bearing wear. #3 & #5 rod bearings have a "scrape" mark, like something small scrapped material away. All the mains have some "shininess" as if some of the material was removed. For sure have seen worse. Still. no explanation to my problem. back to square one! Take care!! Jeff
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: 1969RR]
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08/31/11 05:48 PM
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looks like it was fuel and maybe ignition??
valves were not hitting??
yes all pistons rock short ones it's real noticeable.
Last edited by Dodgem; 08/31/11 05:50 PM.
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: Dodgem]
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08/31/11 06:14 PM
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looks like it was fuel and maybe ignition??
valves were not hitting??
yes all pistons rock short ones it's real noticeable.
Hello, I'm sure rockers were not too tight. I loosened them 1 turn and all started "clacking". No sign of anything hitting at all. I'm worried as to what caused the wear on the couple of bearings. I cut oil filter apart, found no shavings or any foreign material. I'm wondering fuel now myself. Maybe washed cylinders down. Could this ruin rings? Alot of "gummy, oily" on top of pistons, and low compression. What would you guy's do next? Punt??? LOL Thanks, Jeff
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Re: New 512 stroker build, ZERO power!
[Re: 1969RR]
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08/31/11 06:42 PM
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I'm curious to what was making the little (we will call them ball bearing marks) in the heads and or cyl... you tried 2 ignition set ups didnt you... so your down to fuel... if it was bad fuel it would detonate and could leave marks... plus run BAD... how old was the fuel
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