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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1060585
08/26/11 12:37 AM 08/26/11 12:37 AM
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Hey Mike, Ya ever wonder why the post office sucks,

Here is a prime example, they never check anything.

It isnt gonna make any difference by responding, though it great fun, he isnt gonna listen to logic.

Kasey
Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1060586
08/26/11 12:46 AM 08/26/11 12:46 AM
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Well come on down and go racing with us.

Saturday's winner in Pro was my 65 yr old mother Mean Donna Jean Heigle in her 67 Rambler. Yeah dude check it out.

i confess I did build that motor three years ago.

OOOOHHHH I bet that hurts.

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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Moparnut426] #1060587
08/26/11 12:48 AM 08/26/11 12:48 AM
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Hey Mike, Ya ever wonder why the post office sucks,

Here is a prime example, they never check anything.

It isnt gonna make any difference by responding, though it great fun, he isnt gonna listen to logic.

Kasey



No... he'll never catch on... when you get that smart
(can you say idiot) if he doesnt hear what he wants
to hear then the whole world is dumb
The dual pick he showed was a bad idea but the pic
that was shown later is good... it had a single pick
up point (larger) with dual inlets to the pump...
that way it would only pick up air if the pan was dry
unlike his version

Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Racebuddy] #1060588
08/26/11 12:50 AM 08/26/11 12:50 AM
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that's very impressive. Mom must be quite the racer.
does her engine have a dual pickup?

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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1060589
08/26/11 12:51 AM 08/26/11 12:51 AM
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"dodge/plymouth performance" by larry schreib and larry atherton mentions the dual pickups for the SB.
engineer bob tarozzi did lube testing for the trans-am and USAC racing efforts.
he found that the best pump performance was with two pickups-- each one inch/16an in diameter.
may be worth tracking that book down to read up if you're interested.
Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Performance Only] #1060590
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Didn't need a pick up on that one. i just filled it up with extra oil so that the oil pump stayed submerged.
Works great as long as we don't try to start the engine
Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: drago] #1060591
08/26/11 12:57 AM 08/26/11 12:57 AM
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Quote:

"dodge/plymouth performance" by larry schreib and larry atherton mentions the dual pickups for the SB.
engineer bob tarozzi did lube testing for the trans-am and USAC racing efforts.
he found that the best pump performance was with two pickups-- each one inch/16an in diameter.
may be worth tracking that book down to read up if you're interested.



that would make much more sense for that type of racing with hard cornering, braking and quick acceleration constantly going on.
it's a whole different world from drag racing.

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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: drago] #1060592
08/26/11 01:03 AM 08/26/11 01:03 AM
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Quote:

"dodge/plymouth performance" by larry schreib and larry atherton mentions the dual pickups for the SB.
engineer bob tarozzi did lube testing for the trans-am and USAC racing efforts.
he found that the best pump performance was with two pickups-- each one inch/16an in diameter.
may be worth tracking that book down to read up if you're interested.



And the one that was shown was the one that was
released(in the attachment in this post)... I know
the testing you are referring to
EDIT
and that was for road racing

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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: drago] #1060593
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Yeah thanks Drago.
now u r my second friend in the whole world.

Sometimes we try things and they work, sometimes it will fail, but i think it is an intriguing idea to investigate and try.

The simpletons here on this site and their limited imagination refuse to embrace new theory and/or better ways to build mouse traps.

My dual pick up idea is in the infancy stage. I presented the premise to the very knowledgable and proven MOPARTS members here looking for some acute observation about the theoretical application of this dual pick up.

They missed the point entirely and have worked themselves up into a fury because they can't see outside from under their own hood.

Thanks Drago for pointing out that there are others out there that have grasped this concept and have a history of it working in a SB chrysler.

Cheers Mate
Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Performance Only] #1060594
08/26/11 01:17 AM 08/26/11 01:17 AM
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Well now, its ok to have a dual pick up for road racing or circle track racing but... I certainly have to be a big friggin idiot to think about using one in drag racing huh??

oh and now P Brain recollects articles on it...

hard acceleration? yeah I have that in drag racing, hard braking? yeah I have been known to slam them on at the line. Whats the difference dude?

Sorry U lose this arguement
Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Performance Only] #1060595
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that engine doesn't know if its in a drag car or a road racing car, IT JUST NEEDS OIL FOOL.
Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Racebuddy] #1060596
08/26/11 01:22 AM 08/26/11 01:22 AM
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Well now, its ok to have a dual pick up for road racing or circle track racing but... I certainly have to be a big friggin idiot to think about using one in drag racing huh??

oh and now P Brain recollects articles on it...

hard acceleration? yeah I have that in drag racing, hard braking? yeah I have been known to slam them on at the line. Whats the difference dude?

Sorry U lose this arguement



Hey idiot... the item that that 340 colt shown was the
released pick up.... thats a SINGLE pick up with 2
lines entering into the pump.... try your version
and see what happens... bet you blow up another engine...
I'm positive I have more R&D work than you will ever
have
Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1060597
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yes I am aware of that P Brain, i saw the diagram of it posted. I may try that.

Yes u r the R and D champion of the world, i do not dispute that. but u don't know it all.

its ok if somebody knows something u don't
Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Racebuddy] #1060598
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yes I am aware of that P Brain, i saw the diagram of it posted. I may try that.

Yes u r the R and D champion of the world, i do not dispute that. but u don't know it all.

its ok if somebody knows something u don't



There are PLENTY of people that know more than me...
but your not one of them.... now if you want to stop
your BS you COULD learn something... not from me
because I dont care what you do, but there are plenty
of smart people that WERE trying to help you...
with your no more than a stock rpm engine that keeps
blowing up...... good luck
Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1060599
08/26/11 07:26 AM 08/26/11 07:26 AM
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Racebuddy] #1060600
08/26/11 07:31 AM 08/26/11 07:31 AM
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Well now, its ok to have a dual pick up for road racing or circle track racing but... I certainly have to be a big friggin idiot to think about using one in drag racing huh??

oh and now P Brain recollects articles on it...

hard acceleration? yeah I have that in drag racing, hard braking? yeah I have been known to slam them on at the line. Whats the difference dude?

Sorry U lose this arguement



you do a lot of hard cornering during that braking and acceleration too, i bet. do you think they ran a small oil pan in those cars? so now your trying to take 1970's road racing technology and tell everyone it's your big brainstorm for drag racing with a truck oil pan and high volume pump? alrighty then. that's no reason to go postal on the rest of us that aren't embracing "your" new 40 year old idea. i still have the cobbled up piece of junk from that guys engine if you want it. i'd be happy to send it to you.

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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Performance Only] #1060601
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Racebuddy] #1060602
08/26/11 09:35 AM 08/26/11 09:35 AM
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Its no use Guys, Mr postmans already gone Postal.

Gutar Jones nailed it with the youtube post. Failure to comunicate. Hard to get through years and years of, "im the man" "Im right, your wrong" "me me me me me"

Unbelievable!

Kasey

Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Moparnut426] #1060603
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Re: SB Oil Pump. Anyone ever done this? [Re: Racebuddy] #1060604
08/26/11 10:04 AM 08/26/11 10:04 AM
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Quote:

My motor starving for oil.
The book "How to build SB engines says that the pick up tube is too small.
Will two pick up tubes work.

lets hear all your views, Please
Thanks



This is the original post just in case all the hot heads missed this.

We have all went through our experiences simply to point out some mistakes we have made or seen. Not to undermind but, to try and point out the obvious.

My thoughts are two seperate pickups are not effective if you have oil starvation for more than a couple seconds. The reason is air is easier to pull than oil. If you dry one pickup tube up then the pump is going to pull air until oil covers the pickup again.

If you really feel you have a limited pickup. How about blocking off the stock port. Then make up a new one in the pump cap that is larger but stick with a single pickup. A swinger is probably the best deal becuase it is a single pickup but should swing back and fourth during acceleration and braking.

I know you are tired of hearing this but the best advise has already been given. A larger pan with baffles. I have noticed Kevco makes a large pan. Moroso makes a 360 only rear sump 8 quart. I have a couple custom aluminum pans for sale with scraper screens and baffles. This is probably the most proven method for drag race applications.

Leon

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