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Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: supercomp] #105625 08/31/09 12:02 AM 08/31/09 12:02 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 399 SouthEast Michigan P PETE@BESTMACHINE enthusiast
PETE@BESTMACHINE enthusiast P Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 399 SouthEast Michigan	A flow bench is just a tool,unless everbody has there heads flowed on the same bench by the same guy there will different numbers. We have seen flow sheets that came with fully ported B-1 heads,reworked buy another B-1 shop with a flow sheet with higher numbers and we flow tested them and get lower numbers. The dyno and ET slip will answer whos are better. www.BestMachineRacing.com

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #105626 08/31/09 10:52 AM 08/31/09 10:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal Brian Hafliger OP master
Brian Hafliger OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Quote: A flow bench is just a tool,unless everbody has there heads flowed on the same bench by the same guy there will different numbers. We have seen flow sheets that came with fully ported B-1 heads,reworked buy another B-1 shop with a flow sheet with higher numbers and we flow tested them and get lower numbers. The dyno and ET slip will answer whos are better. This is soooo true! I see guys really overdoing the exhaust ports of cylinder heads. I can tell you that my ex. ports you see here are not much larger than OOTB shape. It's the chamber/valvejob/bowl shape a.k.a. the bell curve that is mostly responsible for exhaust flow. Great big ex. ports have their place, but you'd be surprised how much they can hurt most engines... Brian Hafliger

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: PETE@BESTMACHINE] #105627 09/01/09 09:37 AM 09/01/09 09:37 AM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo. S supercomp master
supercomp master S Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo.	500 dynoed 845hp just wondered.

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: supercomp] #105628 09/01/09 10:27 AM 09/01/09 10:27 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal Brian Hafliger OP master
Brian Hafliger OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Quote: 500 dynoed 845hp just wondered. What was the combo? Looks like mid lift #'s on the intake are low too. Are you unhappy with the HP you have? Tell us more about it...maybe there's a problem elsewhere. Brian Hafliger

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #105629 09/01/09 12:01 PM 09/01/09 12:01 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo. S supercomp master
supercomp master S Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo.	It''s a 14.1 with 4.375 bore, 4.150 stroke, 0 deck, 62cc chambers, coated exhaust ports and valves. 1050 carb with throttle stop under it. Inake has been port matched only. 2308 bobweight. Cam installed at 109

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: supercomp] #105630 09/01/09 12:27 PM 09/01/09 12:27 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan B1Fish540 master
B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	Quote: It''s a 14.1 with 4.375 bore, 4.150 stroke, 0 deck, 62cc chambers, coated exhaust ports and valves. 1050 carb with throttle stop under it. Inake has been port matched only. 2308 bobweight. Cam installed at 109 When you said CNCed i figured they were fully ported..that must explain why your numbers are a bit low. Thats pretty good for just a port match, thats about all mine are too.

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: supercomp] #105631 09/01/09 12:47 PM 09/01/09 12:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal Brian Hafliger OP master
Brian Hafliger OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Looks to me like it went lean on topend...and there is too much time between peak TQ and peak HP plus look at the hp curve... This could be: inefficient ports header tubes wrong length/size collector not right length throttle stop can affect some engines negatively IMO, the cam could use a tighter lca. I would try tightening the lash and see what happens. See if power goes up or down, or doesn't change. Then get back to us. Post the header tube length's, size, collector length from where the 4 tubes end to the collector opening, and collector size. You'll also need at least 750lbs. open pressure on that cam with B1's. If not, could be slight valve bounce happening, although the A/F doesn't reflect that...do you know why it went up in the 15's???? Brian Hafliger

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #105632 09/01/09 02:07 PM 09/01/09 02:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo. S supercomp master
supercomp master S Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo.	Headers are 2 1/8 by 30 with 4" collector 12" long. Heads are fully ported, I was talking about the intake being matched to the heads. Springs are 310 seat 762 open. The jets were 92s timing 36. I wasn't there when it was dynoed but my friend said no changes were tried. It even has a belt drive.

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: supercomp] #105633 09/01/09 02:57 PM 09/01/09 02:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal Brian Hafliger OP master
Brian Hafliger OP master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,484 SoCal	Quote: Headers are 2 1/8 by 30 with 4" collector 12" long. Heads are fully ported, I was talking about the intake being matched to the heads. Springs are 310 seat 762 open. The jets were 92s timing 36. I wasn't there when it was dynoed but my friend said no changes were tried. It even has a belt drive. Without flowing your heads on my bench, it's really too hard to tell for sure...but your midlift #'s are very low! Header could use a bit longer extension, maybe around 15-16" total length but I'd guess if everything else is right, the heads may be the blame. See I said MAY be the blame...LOL! Brian Hafliger

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: Brian Hafliger] #105634 09/01/09 03:41 PM 09/01/09 03:41 PM
Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo. S supercomp master
supercomp master S Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,441 Mo.	Can't go longer they're on a dragster. I appreciate your opinions.

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: supercomp] #105635 09/21/09 08:02 PM 09/21/09 08:02 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	I guess you would need custom headers made for an A body with a raised deck block.... or does someone make them? Mopar Performance

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: moparniac] #105636 12/07/11 06:09 PM 12/07/11 06:09 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,164 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,164 PA.	I thought I would give one of Brian's posts about B1 heads a bump since several members are going with B1 heads over the Winter. I think Brian did a great job answering lots of questions with some nice pictures. I know when the Daytona hits the track again the 440-1's will be sitting on the shelf and the B1's will be put to use. Thanks Brian and I wish there were more posts like this again on Mopart's but I guess those days are long gone. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: pittsburghracer] #105637 12/07/11 07:12 PM 12/07/11 07:12 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City C camastomcat top fuel
camastomcat top fuel C Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City	This was a great thread. I wish someone had one like this for B1 PSO's or Predators. Oh well.....

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: pittsburghracer] #105638 12/07/11 10:40 PM 12/07/11 10:40 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs Bob_Coomer master
Bob_Coomer master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs	Quote: I thought I would give one of Brian's posts about B1 heads a bump since several members are going with B1 heads over the Winter. I think Brian did a great job answering lots of questions with some nice pictures. I know when the Daytona hits the track again the 440-1's will be sitting on the shelf and the B1's will be put to use. Thanks Brian and I wish there were more posts like this again on Mopart's but I guess those days are long gone. Couldnt agree more. Tell us about your Combo again John or past B1 engines... My engine is similar to SuperComp's. 499 Low deck, 14:1 compression, cam is a UltraDyne R8 311... Couldnt find it on Bullets web site, but has 278� @ 50 and .4544 lobe lift, rockers are 1.75 T&D's so lift is .795 before lash or gross lift. Not sure on a converter but I would think a 8" 6K would be close. Headers are also Stahl's with 2 1/8 tubes and a 32"-34" length, they are near equal length. B1 cast single 4 with a 1050 dominator. Hoping to get this yellow submarine into the 8's. its no heavy weight Id say 2700-2750 lbs with driver.... and 800 HP should Get 'R' Done.. [color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: Bob_Coomer] #105639 12/07/11 11:52 PM 12/07/11 11:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,986 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw... gregsdart master
gregsdart master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,986 Frostbitefalls MN (Rocky&Bullw...	Quote: Quote: Hoping to get this yellow submarine into the 8's. its no heavy weight Id say 2700-2750 lbs with driver.... and 800 HP should Get 'R' Done.. Should be able to hit 8.60s with good air at 2750, and a well built 499/B1. 8.80s, piece of cake. 8..603 156 mph best, 2905 lbs 549, indy 572-13, alky

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: camastomcat] #105640 12/08/11 06:55 PM 12/08/11 06:55 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,397 Carson City, Nevada Biginchmopar pro stock
Biginchmopar pro stock Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,397 Carson City, Nevada	Quote: This was a great thread. I wish someone had one like this for B1 PSO's or Predators. Oh well..... Predator coming soon!

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: Biginchmopar] #105641 12/08/11 07:11 PM 12/08/11 07:11 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas Al_Alguire I Live Here
Al_Alguire I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 19,361 Las Vegas	As I have said in the past if you cannot make 800hp with a decent set of B1's your doing it wrong. My 67 Valaint was a basic 511 low deck with a good set of B1's that went 9.0's at 150 weiging 3470lbs. My current MC motor seems to run ok "I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know." "It's never wrong to do the right thing"

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: Al_Alguire] #105642 12/08/11 07:43 PM 12/08/11 07:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,397 Carson City, Nevada Biginchmopar pro stock
Biginchmopar pro stock Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,397 Carson City, Nevada	Your stuff flies Al, I would agree the B-1 stuff is stought. Heck my 498" B1-BS makes just under 900HP. Best Machine and Muscle Motors have done PSO deals and that stuff is real good. For the money B-1's are hard to beat. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbs.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif" alt="" /> Last edited by Biginchmopar; 06/25/18 02:03 PM.

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: Biginchmopar] #105643 12/08/11 09:14 PM 12/08/11 09:14 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,164 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,164 PA.	Quote: You stuff flies Al, I would agree the B-1 stuff is stought. Heck my 498" B1-BS makes just under 900HP. Best Machine and Muscle Motors have done PSO deals and that stuff is real good. For the money B-1's are hard to beat. How fast and at what weight does that 900HP b1-BS run or is this another FANTASY dyno post? 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Some B1 Original pics......... [Re: pittsburghracer] #105644 12/08/11 09:35 PM 12/08/11 09:35 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs Bob_Coomer master
Bob_Coomer master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,293 Rock Springs	Quote: Quote: You stuff flies Al, I would agree the B-1 stuff is stought. Heck my 498" B1-BS makes just under 900HP. Best Machine and Muscle Motors have done PSO deals and that stuff is real good. For the money B-1's are hard to beat. How fast and at what weight does that 900HP b1-BS run or is this another FANTASY dyno post? Yea Id like to know too... Those BS heads are about like a Indy SR I thought? [color:"red"]65 Hemi Belvedere coming soon [/color] [color:"#00FF00"]557" Indy engine 1.07 60ft 144mph in the 8th 2100 lbs package [/color]

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