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Re: ballast resistor by-pass?? [Re: 540challenger] #1046658
10/02/14 02:03 PM
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This question has been around for decades in various forms. I'll try to clarify the fog surrounding it.

When cranking an engine, especially at lower temperatures, the starter imposes so much load on the battery that the voltage drops (as low as 8 to 9 volts). This reduced potential (voltage, E), would reduce the ignition system's spark output and make cold starting difficult. In a nutshell, what the factory did was to design the ignition system (breaker points and electronic) to produce full output at this reduced cranking voltage. Then, under normal running conditions, a resistor is used to reduce the voltage to the design point. This is why there's two different ignition wires (and switch terminals), "start" and "run" (or "ign 1" and "ign 2").

Bypassing the ballast resistor will overtax all ignition components: ECU / breaker points and ignition coil), increasing the spark energy (output) while reducing their reliability markedly.

Factory hi-po ECUs ("gold box", etc.) were designed for race use and used lower-resistance ballasts, their internal components and heat sinking were designed for this, still, they were never recommended for street use / idle.

Little, if any, of the above applies to aftermarket ignition systems and/or components. Many are designed to run on full battery potential; they have either internal regulators or dc-to-dc converters. Even with a factory OEM ECU, if your replacement coil has higher internal resistance than the OEM 1.4 to 1.8 ohm value, you might be able to safely reduce the ballast's value.

Do not lose sight of this fact: If there's no misfiring (at any useable RPM) in your present configuration, no ignition system swap or upgrade will increase output. EG: I witnessed a factory engine dyno session (Chrys.) where the subject engine produced over 150 HP/L on dead-stock wasted-spark ignition (even wires, coil, etc.). All aftermarket systems tried produced zero gains.

Hope this helps,

Rick E.

Re: ballast resistor by-pass?? [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1046659
10/02/14 10:14 PM
10/02/14 10:14 PM
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Thanks Rick. I had a feeling that once the fire is lit, the ignition systems job is done. A "hotter" spark isn't as beneficial as some think that it is.

Re: ballast resistor by-pass?? [Re: Rick_Ehrenberg] #1046660
10/03/14 02:07 PM
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Quote:

This question has been around for decades in various forms. I'll try to clarify the fog surrounding it.

When cranking an engine, especially at lower temperatures, the starter imposes so much load on the battery that the voltage drops (as low as 8 to 9 volts). This reduced potential (voltage, E), would reduce the ignition system's spark output and make cold starting difficult. In a nutshell, what the factory did was to design the ignition system (breaker points and electronic) to produce full output at this reduced cranking voltage. Then, under normal running conditions, a resistor is used to reduce the voltage to the design point. This is why there's two different ignition wires (and switch terminals), "start" and "run" (or "ign 1" and "ign 2").

Bypassing the ballast resistor will overtax all ignition components: ECU / breaker points and ignition coil), increasing the spark energy (output) while reducing their reliability markedly.

Factory hi-po ECUs ("gold box", etc.) were designed for race use and used lower-resistance ballasts, their internal components and heat sinking were designed for this, still, they were never recommended for street use / idle.

Little, if any, of the above applies to aftermarket ignition systems and/or components. Many are designed to run on full battery potential; they have either internal regulators or dc-to-dc converters. Even with a factory OEM ECU, if your replacement coil has higher internal resistance than the OEM 1.4 to 1.8 ohm value, you might be able to safely reduce the ballast's value.

Do not lose sight of this fact: If there's no misfiring (at any useable RPM) in your present configuration, no ignition system swap or upgrade will increase output. EG: I witnessed a factory engine dyno session (Chrys.) where the subject engine produced over 150 HP/L on dead-stock wasted-spark ignition (even wires, coil, etc.). All aftermarket systems tried produced zero gains.

Hope this helps,

Rick E.


There are two other things that a ballast resistor does:
First, it limits current in the circuit protecting the coil and other components in series with it.
The second is more obscure but just as important. It dampens the "ringing" in the coil when it fires. When the magnetic field collapses in the secondary firing the plug, eddy currents from the secondary are induced into the primary which in turn goes back into the secondary again, at a much lower level but still there and measurable. Meanwhile, the distributor has moved away from that plug wire and the voltage has no where to go but be dissipated in heat, mainly in the coil unless the ballast resistor takes some of it. The ballast resistor is also a damper resistor to keep the ringing to a minimum. The bypass capacitor on the coils positive terminal also aids in stopping the ringing but more importantly filters the energy dissipation to lower radio frequency interference.


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Re: ballast resistor by-pass?? [Re: denfireguy] #1046661
10/03/14 07:22 PM
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Which would explain the word 'ballast' a bit better indeed.

Re: ballast resistor by-pass?? [Re: denfireguy] #1046662
10/04/14 02:31 AM
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Quote:

Quote:

This question has been around for decades in various forms. I'll try to clarify the fog surrounding it.

When cranking an engine, especially at lower temperatures, the starter imposes so much load on the battery that the voltage drops (as low as 8 to 9 volts). This reduced potential (voltage, E), would reduce the ignition system's spark output and make cold starting difficult. In a nutshell, what the factory did was to design the ignition system (breaker points and electronic) to produce full output at this reduced cranking voltage. Then, under normal running conditions, a resistor is used to reduce the voltage to the design point. This is why there's two different ignition wires (and switch terminals), "start" and "run" (or "ign 1" and "ign 2").

Bypassing the ballast resistor will overtax all ignition components: ECU / breaker points and ignition coil), increasing the spark energy (output) while reducing their reliability markedly.

Factory hi-po ECUs ("gold box", etc.) were designed for race use and used lower-resistance ballasts, their internal components and heat sinking were designed for this, still, they were never recommended for street use / idle.

Little, if any, of the above applies to aftermarket ignition systems and/or components. Many are designed to run on full battery potential; they have either internal regulators or dc-to-dc converters. Even with a factory OEM ECU, if your replacement coil has higher internal resistance than the OEM 1.4 to 1.8 ohm value, you might be able to safely reduce the ballast's value.

Do not lose sight of this fact: If there's no misfiring (at any useable RPM) in your present configuration, no ignition system swap or upgrade will increase output. EG: I witnessed a factory engine dyno session (Chrys.) where the subject engine produced over 150 HP/L on dead-stock wasted-spark ignition (even wires, coil, etc.). All aftermarket systems tried produced zero gains.

Hope this helps,

Rick E.


There are two other things that a ballast resistor does:
First, it limits current in the circuit protecting the coil and other components in series with it.
The second is more obscure but just as important. It dampens the "ringing" in the coil when it fires. When the magnetic field collapses in the secondary firing the plug, eddy currents from the secondary are induced into the primary which in turn goes back into the secondary again, at a much lower level but still there and measurable. Meanwhile, the distributor has moved away from that plug wire and the voltage has no where to go but be dissipated in heat, mainly in the coil unless the ballast resistor takes some of it. The ballast resistor is also a damper resistor to keep the ringing to a minimum. The bypass capacitor on the coils positive terminal also aids in stopping the ringing but more importantly filters the energy dissipation to lower radio frequency interference.




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