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Advice and tips on '69 B-Body FIRM FEEL rear sway bar? #1014910
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I have a reasonably stock 1969 Road Runner convertible. Does anyone offer a bolt-in style rear sway bar that looks reasonably "factory"?

Any real-world advice on brand/thickness/ease of installation and stock appearance as well as comments on any handling improvements are welcome. Thank you.

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Re: Advice on '69 B-Body rear sway bar? [Re: Sssnake383] #1014911
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I am looking for something that looks close to the bar pictured in this thread (minus the rust): Factory B-Body rear bar

The closest I've seen are the ones from Firm-Feel. Does anyone have any experience with these? They aren't cheap, either ($345). Do these make a huge difference in handling? Axle hop? Firm Feel swaybar

Re: Advice on '69 B-Body rear sway bar? [Re: Sssnake383] #1014912
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The Firm Feel is about the only bar that's "close" to looking factory, most others are mounted to the axle itself,......a 3/4" bar is about ideal for the rear,....add a 1 1/4 up front along with some 1.00 torsion bars, along with some good shocks if you want to improve your cars handling, along with some poly mounts/bushings

Re: Advice on '69 B-Body rear sway bar? [Re: DAYCLONA] #1014913
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The Firm Feel is about the only bar that's "close" to looking factory, most others are mounted to the axle itself,......a 3/4" bar is about ideal for the rear,....add a 1 1/4 up front along with some 1.00 torsion bars, along with some good shocks if you want to improve your cars handling, along with some poly mounts/bushings




Thank you for the response. The FF website states that the diameter of their rear bar is 3/4". However, I really didn't want to go through the expense and trouble of upgrading the front bar and torsion bars, as well. Right now, the car is stock except for new "Hemi" leaf springs, poly front bar endlinks, and newer Gabriel shocks front and back. It handles decently enough for what it is, but I was looking for a little more stability in the corners.

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Re: Advice on '69 B-Body rear sway bar? [Re: Sssnake383] #1014914
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I am really liking the way the Firm Feel rear sway bars appear to fit. Has anyone personally installed the FF rear bar? Were there any issues or problems you ran into? Do you need longer u-bolts when you install the bar? Has anyone got pictures of underneath their car complete with anti-swaybar and full exhaust installed? Thanks again for any input.

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Realize if you add a rear bar without upgrading the front your gonna wind up with a car that oversteers & is generally evil handling... The front suspension needs to be addressed first...


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I think the 3/4" rear bar would compliment what he has now. Those cars really needed a rear bar for balance.
I had the 69 RR large factory bar on the front of my hot rod. It didn't like turning with enthusiasm. Adding the rear bar made a big difference. I like it much better now.

I would add the Firm Feel bar to what he has. The biggest thing he could do to increase the stability of the car would be adding subframe connectors. That chassis is floppy! Tightening the chassis would make a night and day difference.


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I used the FF rear bar on a '70E. Installation was straightforward per the instructions. I did use some spacers to slightly lengthen the links to position the bar "over the hump". I'm using it with 3" TTI pipes and it all fits well. I use it with FF's larger front bar and 1" Tbars. The car handles great.

Re: Advice on '69 B-Body rear sway bar? [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #1014918
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Realize if you add a rear bar without upgrading the front your gonna wind up with a car that oversteers & is generally evil handling... The front suspension needs to be addressed first...




The front suspension features the stock large-diameter swaybar...I'd just like to add what was equivalent to the (1970) factory optional rear bar to the car.

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I think the 3/4" rear bar would compliment what he has now. Those cars really needed a rear bar for balance.
I had the 69 RR large factory bar on the front of my hot rod. It didn't like turning with enthusiasm. Adding the rear bar made a big difference. I like it much better now.

I would add the Firm Feel bar to what he has. The biggest thing he could do to increase the stability of the car would be adding subframe connectors. That chassis is floppy! Tightening the chassis would make a night and day difference.




Thank you for the encouragement and advice. My Road Runner also has the large diameter bar paired with poly-graphite end links and I'm hoping the addition of the rear bar will really bring the handling up a notch. Most of the body roll certainly seems to come from the rear of the car, not the front.

I'm not really interested in installing subframe connectors. I don't want to cut the floors or weld anything. Bottom line is I'm just trying to get a more pleasant and confidently-handling cruiser from the addition of the rear bar. I'm not trying to go autocrossing (not just yet, anyway).

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I used the FF rear bar on a '70E. Installation was straightforward per the instructions. I did use some spacers to slightly lengthen the links to position the bar "over the hump". I'm using it with 3" TTI pipes and it all fits well. I use it with FF's larger front bar and 1" Tbars. The car handles great.




Thanks! This is the kind of first-hand knowledge I am seeking. I have the 2.5" TTI tailpipes and was hopeful that the bar would clear the exhaust. After checking out the website pictures and comparing them to the car, I am reasonably sure there won't be any clearance issues.

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I'm not really interested in installing subframe connectors. I don't want to cut the floors or weld anything. Bottom line is I'm just trying to get a more pleasant and confidently-handling cruiser from the addition of the rear bar. I'm not trying to go autocrossing (not just yet, anyway).




there are lots of subframe connectors out there that are bolt in - no welding or cutting up the floors at all - ex mancini racing and mopar performance are some of the few that sell them and would definatly help with firming up your ride

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I'm not really interested in installing subframe connectors. I don't want to cut the floors or weld anything. Bottom line is I'm just trying to get a more pleasant and confidently-handling cruiser from the addition of the rear bar. I'm not trying to go autocrossing (not just yet, anyway).




there are lots of subframe connectors out there that are bolt in - no welding or cutting up the floors at all - ex mancini racing and mopar performance are some of the few that sell them and would definatly help with firming up your ride




The 2" square frame connectors from Auto Rust Technicains weld in completly under the floor. Yes there is chassis welding but no impact on the interior. They make a huge difference. You can feel it when driving and see it when you jack up one corner. Much stiffer to help your better suspension pieces do their job.

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I used the FF rear bar on a '70E. Installation was straightforward per the instructions. I did use some spacers to slightly lengthen the links to position the bar "over the hump". I'm using it with 3" TTI pipes and it all fits well. I use it with FF's larger front bar and 1" Tbars. The car handles great.




Thanks! This is the kind of first-hand knowledge I am seeking. I have the 2.5" TTI tailpipes and was hopeful that the bar would clear the exhaust. After checking out the website pictures and comparing them to the car, I am reasonably sure there won't be any clearance issues.




Sssnake383 – If you decide to go the extra mile and get some weld-in subframe connectors, we offer a set that bolts in at the rear and only requires a little bit of welding at the front. These are much stronger than any bolt in subframe connector.





http://www.hotchkis.net/subframe_connectors_mopar_bbody_.html

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Usually if you add a rear bar the front bar gets bigger to avoid that power oversteer that was mentioned above. If your car has the "large" front bar then a rear bar may clean up handling. You by NO means have to increase torsion bar size for anti-roll bars to work.

So buy and mount the bar and go somewhere safe, pull a sharp corner and get into the gas halfway round the corner. If the rear tires spin and the rear end comes around, you need a bigger front bar. Here's hoping that won't happen. It did happen to me with a '70 Buick GS455 as a 20-year-old and as you can tell it made quite an impression.

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Well,
Usually if you add a rear bar the front bar gets bigger to avoid that power oversteer that was mentioned above. If your car has the "large" front bar then a rear bar may clean up handling. You by NO means have to increase torsion bar size for anti-roll bars to work.

So buy and mount the bar and go somewhere safe, pull a sharp corner and get into the gas halfway round the corner. If the rear tires spin and the rear end comes around, you need a bigger front bar. Here's hoping that won't happen. It did happen to me with a '70 Buick GS455 as a 20-year-old and as you can tell it made quite an impression.

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Good suggestion that I'd actually recommend BEFORE you buy the rear bar. If you push it hard in a corner and it starts underteering (pushing the front end, feeling like it wont turn) then adding the rear bar will help even it out.

Conversly, if when doing this it oversteers and the rear comes around, adding a rear bar will only make it worse.

IIRC, the standard front sway bar was 7/8. The bigger factory bar was 15/16. These are still small in comparison to the widely available and cheaply obtained aftermarket 1 1/8" bar.

I also will chime in that adding subframe connectors will probably yield greater driving and handling improvements than adding the rear bar.

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His car has no roof. That chassis will flop around before teh suspension is fully loaded. That's why I suggested the subframes. The little plates the factory used under the car help a wee bit but not much.
I bet if he loads that car into a corner it will plow horribly no matter how much throttle is applied.
If he slings it into a corner and mashes the throttle it will probably come around on him due to the twisting chassis unloading the inside rear tire and allowing wheelspin.

The rear bar should make a nice improvement regardless of the subframe connectors. I doubt he's going to be road racing it any time soon.


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