Re: 440 vs 493
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08/06/08 09:56 PM
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Well, I am looking closely at the 440 source heads. I think they are a good deal for the money. My intake is an M-1, and 1 7/8 headers. The exaust is 2 1/2 inch duals with Flowmaster 50 series SUV mufflers. As far as gas prices go, I only run it maybe 25 miles a week and those are quick miles. ( 3:91 gears don't make you want to drive to far  ) I have to replace the cranck anyhow, I just wondered if a 493 kit would be worthwhile.
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Re: 440 vs 493
[Re: ramman16248]
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08/06/08 10:35 PM
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Manitoba, Canada
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With stock heads, I'd stay with stock stroke. With ported heads or the 440source heads, I'd go with the stroker if the budget allows. But what you didn't say was what's all damaged? Did you spin a main or a rod bearing? Did you ever have the crank checked out to see if it will still be fine with just being reground for smaller bearings? If I was you, I would try and salvage as much as possible, and if most is going to be usable still, I would just keep the crank you have and put the money into buying the aftermarket heads. If the crank just needs to be reground, you could get out for a lot cheaper than a stroker kit.  But if you're looking for something to spend some more money on, you will make a bunch more torq with the stroker, especially lower down. Won't make much more hp, but again, available at a lower rpm.
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Re: 440 vs 493
[Re: ramman16248]
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08/07/08 09:59 AM
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North Riverside IL & Lowell IN
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Well, I am looking closely at the 440 source heads. I think they are a good deal for the money. My intake is an M-1, and 1 7/8 headers. The exaust is 2 1/2 inch duals with Flowmaster 50 series SUV mufflers. As far as gas prices go,
I only run it maybe 25 miles a week and those are quick miles. ( 3:91 gears don't make you want to drive to far ) I have to replace the cranck anyhow, I just wondered if a 493 kit would be worthwhile.
I have stealth heads on the GTX and have no complaitts so far, definatly a good investment if you need work on your iron heads.
If you have to replace your crank stroke it, I did. The stroker crank allows you to run less expensive rods and won't hurt drivability.
Ken
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Re: 440 vs 493
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08/07/08 10:11 AM
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Brookeville, Md
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It really depends on a lot of things. If your pistons are not damaged and you are going to run another stock style head and you have a mild intake setup and mild exhaust setup then another stock crank will work fine for you.
If you have 3 inch exhaust with big headers, a high flowing intake setup and you are going to invest in good flowing heads then the stroker will take better advantage of those items.
I bought a stroker crank for the 440 in my 71 Road Runner but when I decided I wanted a stock six pack intake and stock exhaust manifolds I also decided to go with the stock stroke. With the current price of gas and the fact I like to drive the car alot, I did the right thing.
Sheldon
I'd probably go 440 route. It will be much cheaper. That said if you have the $$$$ go big
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Re: 440 vs 493
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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08/07/08 01:26 PM
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Milwaukee, WI
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if the pistons are fine/etc then just get the journals ground down as little as you can (say 0.010?) new undersized bearings and go. Swap to a COMP XE 285HL (241/247 @ .050, 110 LSA, .545/.545 lift) or voodoo 60305 cam (242/252, 110 LSA, and .533/.552 lift) and it'll probably run pretty every bit as good as you'd hope a stroker would for a LOT less coin (IE broader powerband, more peak power than the .509 cammed 440, better idle/driveability/etc)
That being said, a stroker would still make for a better engine with some decent heads and an even larger cam...but since you spent the money once, it's up to you to justify spending it again for the benefits.
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1968 Coronet: 318, 2.76, 15.2 @ 92mph! (SOLD)
1976 Valiant: 360, 3.90, 12.90 @ 106 (SOLD)
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Re: 440 vs 493
[Re: ramman16248]
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08/07/08 02:46 PM
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Kansas City
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I say go for the stroker.
Even if you use the stock heads now, you will have a great short block to bolt on better heads later. I drove mine over 7000 miles on the street with 452's with oversize valves and basic port work, and HP manifolds. Torque city! Then I added Eddy aluminum heads, and TTI header exhaust system.
It's an old cliche', but I'll repeat it, "build the biggest engine you can afford the first time". Now is your chance.
My 440 had a wrist pin knocking. Took it apart, and crank had a crack too. Decision was easy then.
My car club: hpacmopar.com
1971 Charger R/T, 496" RB Stroker, Auto, Driven Daily
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Re: 440 vs 493
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08/07/08 03:08 PM
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Southern Maryland
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Honestly, it all depends on how much money you want to spend. A stroker with new heads is certainly going to make more power. But, that being said, I believe you can probably get new bearings, get the rods correctly sized, and have the crank turned for a huge amount less than going the stroker way.
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