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Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1002765
10/18/11 03:04 PM
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I really hope its the adjuster. When it get to me I got so tired and just went straight home and tryed to forget about it.

Will start the searching when I have "the force" again.




Do you use the exhaust opening, intake closing method
of setting the lash






Yes... Not after the chart, 1 in TDC, adjust 2 intake and 8 exhaust... (MP, Hughes and other), or do I miss understand - I'm swedish




Thats like using the MP decal version... I believe
doing it the way you did the adjustment you might
not have been on the base.... with the exhaust just
opening you adjust the intake on that cylinder then
when the intake is closing(about quarter of the way)
you adjust the exhaust... there are some post on here
that you can look it up for a good procedure





I can assure you with my 276/284 @ .050 .700 lift roller the MP chart is accurate and it is on the base circle. The problem I see with the other method is as Greg has pointed out in previous threads, you are never sure of exactly where you are on the cam. If you use the chart and set the marks exactly you are measuring at the same spot on the cam everytime. If you keep records it's much easier to spot a problem that way.

Plus you don't have the added pressure of the adjacent valve pressing on the cam or possibly bending the rocker shaft, especially with big spring pressures.


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Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: The_Mean_Machine] #1002766
10/18/11 05:45 PM
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i had a indy plate. i just cut off the angled part, so i could lift it straight up to remove. i used hi-torque silicone to seal it to the heads. just let it cure for 24 hrs. stay safe, seeya.

Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: rickraw] #1002767
10/18/11 06:36 PM
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Exchange or carefully inspect the pushrod which rode on the broken adjuster ball. I had same problem in my Hemi, and although the pushrod cup looked OK, a closer inspection showed it full of cracks, and it was beaten up being wider than the others. My

Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: Oyvind Mopar] #1002768
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is the oil restricted to the rockers?

Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: lewtot184] #1002769
10/18/11 07:28 PM
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Make sure the pushrod has not turned blue due to heat from lack of oil.

Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: Snoddas] #1002770
10/18/11 09:40 PM
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Its of season here so I starting to remove some parts from the head. Pull the rocker arm shaft off. Inspected and found that one of the ball on adjusting screw was gone!!! It was almost flat... Thats explaine the big lash.

Its Crane golden rockers, okay rockers but crappy adjusting screw.

Lucky something worse dident happen.





Crane had a bunch of bad adjusting screws, call Smith Bros. and they will hook you up with the correct adusters


Yes I live in Michigan, so there is still 1 light on
Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: 440dart] #1002771
10/18/11 09:49 PM
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If you decide to change rockers I have had good luck with these Hughes roller rockers. Ron



Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: 440dart] #1002772
10/18/11 10:07 PM
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Which roller lifter are you using?Does it have oil pressure fed to the roller needles?I am in favor of this style lifter that also can push oil up the pushrods.With a restrictor in each pushrod,it won't bleed off too much oil pressure but will still keep extra oil in the cup & ball.This would eliminate the occational burnt cup.


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Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: hemi-itis] #1002773
10/19/11 02:30 AM
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Hi again,
Its comp cams roller lifters 829-16, if I dont remember wrong.
My oilsystem its a external pickup typ, melling HV pump and .040 restrictors to each of the external oiling lines to the indy sr's.

Will inspect the pushrod.

Thanks for all response.

I'm about changing setup. Will race my 65 hemi instead and this will be a cruiser with comp cams 286HR hydraulic roller camshaft and edelbrock RPM heads. Will also use the hughes roller rockers setup - banana groooooves, here I come!!

Thanks and


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Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: Snoddas] #1002774
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Make sure the pushrod is in the lifter seat when setting lash. Re lash that cylinder and keep an eye on it.

Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: Snoddas] #1002775
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Hi again,
Its comp cams roller lifters 829-16, if I dont remember wrong.
My oilsystem its a external pickup typ, melling HV pump and .040 restrictors to each of the external oiling lines to the indy sr's.

Will inspect the pushrod.

Thanks for all response.

I'm about changing setup. Will race my 65 hemi instead and this will be a cruiser with comp cams 286HR hydraulic roller camshaft and edelbrock RPM heads. Will also use the hughes roller rockers setup - banana groooooves, here I come!!

Thanks and


i think thats too much restriction.

Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: lewtot184] #1002776
10/19/11 10:15 AM
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What size do you recommend when not use the T-block just one line from block to head and same on opposite side?
When installed it I e-mailed Indy and ask but never got any answer.

Thanks


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Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: Snoddas] #1002777
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What size do you recommend when not use the T-block just one line from block to head and same on opposite side?
When installed it I e-mailed Indy and ask but never got any answer.

Thanks


first of all i don't like restricters unless there is full time oiling. not only does the rocker gear need oiling but the springs need oiling for a coolant, especially big springs. remove the restricters or at least open them up .090-.100, both sides. replace the push rods and adjusters and check the fulcrums on the rockers. i'll bet problem will be solved.

Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: lewtot184] #1002778
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What size do you recommend when not use the T-block just one line from block to head and same on opposite side?
When installed it I e-mailed Indy and ask but never got any answer.

Thanks


first of all i don't like restricters unless there is full time oiling. not only does the rocker gear need oiling but the springs need oiling for a coolant, especially big springs. remove the restricters or at least open them up .090-.100, both sides. replace the push rods and adjusters and check the fulcrums on the rockers. i'll bet problem will be solved.


Most of the Indy heads, I don't know about the new EZ heads yet, oil the rockers full time from the back of the block, I use a .039 restrictor now to reduce flooding the heads to much. I had treid no restictor , it empty the oil pan on the dyno ,I then tried a .080 and still had flooding issues and now have the .039 in thier now which still oils a lot to the single shaft Harland Sharp roller rockers Same thing on my other motor with the single shaft T&D


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What size do you recommend when not use the T-block just one line from block to head and same on opposite side?
When installed it I e-mailed Indy and ask but never got any answer.

Thanks


first of all i don't like restricters unless there is full time oiling. not only does the rocker gear need oiling but the springs need oiling for a coolant, especially big springs. remove the restricters or at least open them up .090-.100, both sides. replace the push rods and adjusters and check the fulcrums on the rockers. i'll bet problem will be solved.


Most of the Indy heads, I don't know about the new EZ heads yet, oil the rockers full time from the back of the block, I use a .039 restrictor now to reduce flooding the heads to much. I had treid no restictor , it empty the oil pan on the dyno ,I then tried a .080 and still had flooding issues and now have the .039 in thier now which still oils a lot to the single shaft Harland Sharp roller rockers Same thing on my other motor with the single shaft T&D


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Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: lewtot184] #1002780
10/20/11 01:53 PM
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If the condition repeats itself look at coilbind or other clearence issues.You can also check lobe lift for wear to determine if the lifter or cam is going bad..

Re: Valve adjustment - I'm Chocked! [Re: B G Racing] #1002781
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Thanks all!
I alraedy had remove the indy sr's and stuff. Tonight I removed the camshaft and lifters. Nothing strange what I could see.

A long winter ahead...

Then its spring time and the car will be race ready again!


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