i had refused to get a electric winch in the past and stick with the hand crank 1.i ended up getting 1.there was 1 on sale at summit and as long as i was spending big bucks on carbs i gave in.it was 1/2 off at 65$ for a 2500lb single line T max.see even i give in now and then.so sorry for giving a hard time for the insistant 1's on the board.