finally got out to garage, to inspect starter, the nose is installed in its registry hole, not good but .040 clearance from starter gear to ring gear, shimmed out starter to .125 clearance and while under car with some cranking the starter,, the starter gear a couple time didn't meshed with ring gear , plus the starter gear wouldn't retract, some kind of alignment problem , I believe I have to cut out the midplate in the starter mounting area to square up starter and get my proper alignment . well see tomorrow
I have a ultra bell housing and mid plate