Don't waste your time. His products were garbage to put it nicely. Three cans of his Bright Blue were all different shades. I showed him at the "show" gave him the 3 cans back. He agreed it was bad at the said there was too much "suede" in it...He then said he could not refund me at the show but would mail a refund...then I never got refunded anything,no return calls NOTHING. Then weeks later I decided I would go the other route and call from my wife's cell to "order" paint. Left my number and got called back 10 minutes later,then told him who I was and what I wanted. He said that was shady doing that. I said really so is taking people's money and not refunding it isn't? A week later I got my refund. While I know he has/had health issues but that is no way to run a business. There are better products out there. Use Herb's and he is a sponsor here also.