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mopowergtx
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ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference?
      #3267749 - Sat Feb 03 2007 06:31 PM

Whats the difference between ATF 4 and Dextron III that my 2001 Ram and my dads 2004 Ram both call for ATF 4 in the owners manuals? Why cant you just use the Dextron III the same as Ive been putting in my 904 and 727's for years?

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: mopowergtx]
      #3267832 - Sat Feb 03 2007 06:51 PM

ALL I KNOW is that when you use the atf+4 or atf+3, your tranny looks like brand new, when dropping the pan, clutches are like new. dexron III is like old technology, good but not great

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: mopowergtx]
      #3267834 - Sat Feb 03 2007 06:53 PM

Dont know exactly but most mopars for some time now have required atf+3 or atf+4 in both cases you can use valvoline maxlife atf in place and its much cheaper

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: mopowergtx]
      #3267840 - Sat Feb 03 2007 06:55 PM

I'm no engineer or chemist, so I can't detail out the reasons. But it does have to do with application, clutch material, fluid pressures, valve body programming, etc. You can also throw in Type F and Mercon transmission fluids also. I try to stick with manufacturers recommendations unless there is ENOUGH proof that something else will work as good or better. One example is using conventional or synthetic Type F fluids in race torqueflites.

But from what I understand, the ATF 4 is a higher quality fluid than Dextron III and may be synthetic.

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: Locomotion]
      #3267872 - Sat Feb 03 2007 07:09 PM

the info I shared is direct from valvoline

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: ]
      #3267969 - Sat Feb 03 2007 07:40 PM

I do believe atf4 is synthetics, which is used in all new chryslers. If of course is better for the tranny

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: mopowergtx]
      #3268037 - Sat Feb 03 2007 07:59 PM

Old mopar transmissions were very flexible on ATF fluid type. Late model mopar transmissions are NOT. They are very sensitive on fluid type. Unless you want a smoked transmission and a very large repair bill, use exactly what is specified on the trans dipstick or a known exact equivilent. Fill the tranny with the wrong stuff and you will shortly be buying a new transmission.

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: mopowergtx]
      #3268110 - Sat Feb 03 2007 08:23 PM

ATF IV is a group III synthetic transmission fluid that Chrysler has developed and licensed. I believe it also has a friction modifier in addition to other additives. As far as I know, Valvoline is the only aftermarket manfacture of the ATF+IV.

I understand that you could use Dextron, but need to ad Lubeguard to make it work...I personally would stay away from this method.

I am using Redline ATF C+ spec for my new Chrysler transmissions...Redline is an Ester based group V ATF. On a side note: Redline is not licensed ATF+IV, but it is the best ATF in my opinion.


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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: GO_Fish]
      #3268138 - Sat Feb 03 2007 08:32 PM

What Go Fish said is true. While not a Ram, my 92 Plymouth Duster with the A-604 OD was due for a fluid change so I asked a few places to include the dealers parts man. All said Dexron III was ok to use. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! $1500 later and I had a new trany. Go to Allpar.com and read some http://allpar.com/fix/trans.html befor you do a big boo boo. DaveJ

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: mopowergtx]
      #3268319 - Sat Feb 03 2007 09:49 PM

The difference is in the chemistry of the fluids,additives etc.Use whatever the dipstick says. If it says ATF+3 then use ATF+4 as Chrysler sent out a TSB to use it in place of the +3 last year. Besides if you have warranty and you use the wrong fluid, the dealership will not warranty it if they find out. Believe me I work in the service dept at a Dodge dealer.$2500++ to rebuild is a lot more than the correct fluid now.

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: gregsrt]
      #3268761 - Sun Feb 04 2007 07:23 AM

Very interesting discussion, and I agree that one should never use anything but ATF+4 in the newer transmissions. But I have been using ATF+4 in my A-727 for about three years now and haven't noticed anything different than using a Dextron fluid. I have never used type F either so I can't comment. So does anyone have any info on using ATF+4 on older transmissions good or bad??

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: shaker340]
      #3268787 - Sun Feb 04 2007 07:32 AM

I would also like opinions and experience using the newer ATF+ in older 727's instead of the dexron III. I currently run dexron III, is there a better product that will improve life and or performace of the trans? Thanks

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GO_Fish
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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: ]
      #3268897 - Sun Feb 04 2007 08:14 AM

Read the Allpar link. It says that newer ATF does not play well with old style trans seals and will cause leaks.

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: GO_Fish]
      #3269085 - Sun Feb 04 2007 09:32 AM

with all that has been said, i'll offer proof of my a604 in my 95 caravan. it has almost 300k on the clock. when i got it, the trans was a "chrysler" rebuild. it had 111k on it then. i have used dextron 3 in it, changing the fluid & filter every year. there are no leaks, it shifts fine[transgo kit added shortly after i got it], and the only problems i had was replacement of the input/output sensors a couple of years ago. my trans guy says the ATSG recommends dextron 3 for severe cold weather if shifting problems occure. i don't know. mine seems to be the only one i have heard about that still works good using this fluid. why ?

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: GO_Fish]
      #3269192 - Sun Feb 04 2007 10:17 AM

Quote:

Unless you want a smoked transmission and a very large repair bill, use exactly what is specified on the trans dipstick or a known exact equivilent. Fill the tranny with the wrong stuff and you will shortly be buying a new transmission.




sorry , i can't agree with this, i have a 2000 ram with a BOMBed Cummins and a 48RE , it has had nothing but dexron III in it since i starting turning up the HP , i changed out the +3 at about 39k and haven't looked back, truck has 189k on it.

i rebuilt the trans at about 89k , that was after i let someone else try out my new turbo , truck was puttting about 450HP to the rear wheels at the time , and i stupidly didn't go on the test drive . i drove it 40K miles with a slipping trans, if i did anything other than commute back and forth to work , and this was with dex 3 , only the front clutch pack was smoked .

i've got about 100k on it since the rebuild and its acting up a bit , but everything i see is pointing to the PCM or the TPS (going in and out of lockup as i can see the signal dropping out) , it's not the trans itself. the truck also has an overlap issue for the last 100k miles (i have 6 clutches in a 4 clutch drum with about .120 clearance and its not enough clearance ???), i use BW hi energy clutches and there is no signs of slipping with spirited driving on a non stock HP engine .

the +3 and +4 has additives partly because there is a surge issue with the lockup clutch , these fluids mask the issue, and also it helps the lockup clutch survive because chrysler has a poorly designed convertor, in diesels anyway and the RPM drop is about 400 rpm , the + fluid allows the lockup clutch to SLIP .



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GO_Fish
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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: GO_Fish]
      #3269323 - Sun Feb 04 2007 11:03 AM

Quote:

Read the Allpar link. It says that newer ATF does not play well with old style trans seals and will cause leaks.




I think everyone interested needs to read Dave's Allpar link and decide for yourselves. There always have and always will be those of us that like to roll the dice. Sometimes you win. And some of us here are smarter than the Mopar engineers... I am not. I have read enough about mopar trans failures in recent years that I'm not about to try and save $40 on ATF and then risk a $1500 rebuild. But that's just me!

Edited by GO_Fish (Sun Feb 04 2007 11:04 AM)


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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: GO_Fish]
      #3269758 - Sun Feb 04 2007 01:33 PM

ATF +4 is a synthetic transmission fluid. as such, it is more thermally stable than ATF+3 or others. as mentioned, there is a TSB chrysler issued stating that it is safe to supersede from +3, the only models it mentioned not to do such was 99 and older minivans, as they would not be able to break in a new torque converter clutch if replacement was required. i use ATF+4 on all my vehicles, expensive, but worth it.

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: ]
      #3270761 - Sun Feb 04 2007 07:46 PM

I don't see a problem running synthetic atf in older Mopar transmissions. Been there done that.

https://www.amsoil.com/news/atf_new_specs.aspx


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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: GO_Fish]
      #3271259 - Sun Feb 04 2007 10:10 PM

Quote:

I have read enough about mopar trans failures in recent years that I'm not about to try and save $40 on ATF and then risk a $1500 rebuild. But that's just me!




since i do my own rebuilds and it costs about 300 for a kit for a 47RE i'll take my chances .

the trans failures are CREATED by DCX , once pickups became the yuppie vehicle of choice the complaints started coming in about how harsh the trans ' engaged into gear , DCX's answer ? LOWER the line pressure , if they spent a little more time they could have taken out the harshness and not had issues with SMOKED trannys .

they finally did wake up on the 48RE and used many of the fixes the aftermarket did to get the trans to live behind a hi torque diesel motor .

edit .. oh and i'm not saying that dexII is the answer for all nor is + atf the antichrist , there is just alot of misinformation and SCARE TACTICS roaming around .

Edited by JohnRR (Sun Feb 04 2007 10:19 PM)


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GO_Fish
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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: JohnRR]
      #3271838 - Mon Feb 05 2007 09:21 AM

If you have the talent and time to rebuild your trans for $300, that puts you in a different camp than many of us. It would be a great hardship for me to even pull my trans out. (Side note: I blew up a 904 of mine after installing a simple shift kit in high school and have been intimidated by auto trans ever since.) My concerns about ATF type are greater for FWD trannys than for truck trannys... my perception is that the FWD is less tolerant.

My first post came across that incorrect fluid causes sudden and certain failure, and that does not happen every time as a couple of you have shown. To quote Dirty Harry "you've got to ask yourself punk, Do you feel Lucky??"


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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: JohnRR]
      #3271856 - Mon Feb 05 2007 09:29 AM

It is spelled DEXRON. There is no T in it. Use it in your +3 or +4 or +5 transmission at your own risk, is my humble opinion.

I can't believe it, people will spend zillions of dollars changing the engine oil every 2000 or fewer miles yet cheap out on buying the correct transmission fluid. Does anyone else out there see a logical disconnect in that thinking?

If you build your own transmissions and want to experiment it's not my call anyway. You know exactly what kinds of materials are in the box.

If you think you can outsmart the Chrysler engineers go ahead, it's your money. I once replaced a missing quart of DEXRON III with a quart of power steering fluid, never saw any problems from that. But I was worried for a while.

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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: dogdays]
      #3271912 - Mon Feb 05 2007 09:51 AM

Quote:



If you think you can outsmart the Chrysler engineers go ahead, it's your money. I once replaced a missing quart of DEXRON III with a quart of power steering fluid, never saw any problems from that. But I was worried for a while.

R.




rob , it took the AFTERMARKET to TEACH the chrysler BEANCOUNTERS how to build the auto trans to live behind the CUMMINS even in stock form .

i had to edit that , as i am sure the engineers knew what the trans needed , the MORONS in the front office , READ GERMANY (???? it was someone), needed a wake up DOPE SLAP .

Edited by JohnRR (Mon Feb 05 2007 09:53 AM)


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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: JohnRR]
      #3274597 - Tue Feb 06 2007 10:24 AM

Interesting read. I was just going to change the fluid & filter in my 96 ram 2500. Its a 48RE behind a V-10. I just turned 100,000 miles. It was changed twice prior by the dealer while it was still under warranty. Would a 96 still be 3 or 4? I just bought a case of 3 but I can use it in all of the cars if I have to.

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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: 6PKRTSE]
      #3274781 - Tue Feb 06 2007 11:45 AM

Quote:

Interesting read. I was just going to change the fluid & filter in my 96 ram 2500. Its a 48RE behind a V-10. I just turned 100,000 miles. It was changed twice prior by the dealer while it was still under warranty. Would a 96 still be 3 or 4? I just bought a case of 3 but I can use it in all of the cars if I have to.




your 96 should be a 47RE unless you retrofitted one in .

it calls for +3 , but the factory has said that +4 could/should be used in place of +3.


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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: mopowergtx]
      #3275058 - Tue Feb 06 2007 01:51 PM

FWIW, I saw MOPAR brand ATF+4 at Walmart for $4.42/qt

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: 440Jim]
      #3275070 - Tue Feb 06 2007 01:57 PM

I only know one thing on this subject, John Cope told me to run atf+3 in the trans I bought from him and that's good enough for me

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dexron III whats the difference? [Re: Sledge_57]
      #3281689 - Thu Feb 08 2007 09:36 PM

Most newer ATF's are backward compatible. Meaning that if III is good IV is better and V is still better. The V will work just fine in a transmission that was speced with III.

Dexron V is fine in Dexron III specs.

Chrysler IV works fine in III.

Newer specs are better quality, but backwards compatable.

https://www.amsoil.com/news/atf_new_specs.aspx

Free catalog:

www.amsoil.com/redirect.cgi?zo=347292&page=info

Edited by smallblockman (Fri Feb 09 2007 08:51 AM)


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Re: it's spelled D-E-X-R-O-N [Re: ]
      #3282401 - Fri Feb 09 2007 08:34 AM

No T in the word.
R.


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Re: it's spelled D-E-X-R-O-N [Re: dogdays]
      #3282444 - Fri Feb 09 2007 08:52 AM

Gotcha

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: GO_Fish]
      #3282475 - Fri Feb 09 2007 09:05 AM

Quote:

Read the Allpar link. It says that newer ATF does not play well with old style trans seals and will cause leaks.




Been there, done that. I changed the fluid/filter in my 727 and thought I'd upgrade to the ATF+3. With the original (factory!) seals in the trans and ATF+3, the front pump seal leaked like a sieve! It would lose more than a pint sitting overnight. I didn't have alot of time to "fix" the problem so I thought I'd buy some time by keeping a case of dexron in the trunk. By the time I went through 2/3 of that case of fluid, the leaks stopped.

I'm sure that a rebuilt trans can have gaskets put in it that are compatible with ATF+3-4-5, but don't try it with older rebuilds or original trans' unless you want a red lake in your driveway...


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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: GO_Fish]
      #3283578 - Fri Feb 09 2007 05:31 PM

There has been a similar discussion on a GM based board about using the +4 in the GM 4L60E, and the same comment was made about it not being compatible in the older trans. Someone claimed to have fried theirs not too long after a switch to the +4. Amsoil synthetic was mentioned as the only synthetic compatible with the GM trans, but I don't know if its true or not.

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Re: ATF 4 versus Dextron III whats the difference? [Re: ]
      #3305603 - Sun Feb 18 2007 06:43 PM

I know that Ester based synthetics can cause a varnished seal to clean up and leak sometimes. Most the time Ester swells the seal and seals leaks. Amsoil ATF is PAO based and seal leaks are not an issue.

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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: dogdays]
      #3305671 - Sun Feb 18 2007 07:00 PM

Quote:

It is spelled DEXRON. There is no T in it. Use it in your +3 or +4 or +5 transmission at your own risk, is my humble opinion.

I can't believe it, people will spend zillions of dollars changing the engine oil every 2000 or fewer miles yet cheap out on buying the correct transmission fluid. Does anyone else out there see a logical disconnect in that thinking?
If you build your own transmissions and want to experiment it's not my call anyway. You know exactly what kinds of materials are in the box.

If you think you can outsmart the Chrysler engineers go ahead, it's your money. I once replaced a missing quart of DEXRON III with a quart of power steering fluid, never saw any problems from that. But I was worried for a while.

R.




I had my 727 trans redone with a Turbo Action valve body (also their TC). The instructions were to use Dexron III. It has leaked like a sieve between the rear and front case, moreso when it's parked than when it's hot. I didn't figure that out until I changed the pan gasket three times and finally pulled the trans. Is it the Dexron III? Should I use something other than what Turbo Action says to use with their equipment?


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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: RoadRunnerJD]
      #3305852 - Sun Feb 18 2007 07:56 PM

ATF+4 is not a synthetic fluid. I'm sure you can get a synthetic +4, but the basic fluid is not. And Valvoline is not the only aftermarket producer supplying it. I believe at work sometimes we have gotten a Castro brand +4, but I'm not sure. Mostly we use Car Quest brand. I have no idea the cost of it, but yes it is expensive.
I have also wondered about using +4 in an older trans as I'm having a 727 rebuilt right now and wanted to know if it would work. After reading this thread and the answers to the question in the thread I started, I will probably stick to dexron 3. I'm also going to ask my builder and see what he says.

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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: dodgeram440]
      #3305947 - Sun Feb 18 2007 08:22 PM

Quote:

ATF+4 is not a synthetic fluid.



Yes it is. It is a Group III basestock with a specific Lubrizol additive pack.
To meet Chrysler's specs it has to be synthetic.

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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: 74DartSport]
      #3306076 - Sun Feb 18 2007 09:11 PM

BOTTOM LINE:

USE WHAT IS CALLED FOR IN YOUR MANUAL!!!

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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: Plymouth-man]
      #3306135 - Sun Feb 18 2007 09:45 PM

I am suprised you guys take everything on allpar as gospel, I have seen a ton of mistakes when reading different things on there. I have no idea however what it says about tranny fluid is true or not though.

I have heard the varnish theory but the only time I have seen varnish build up in any auto trans was in one that was totally toaseted, every band and clutch in it was fried. I have rebuilt a ton of rwd chrysler trans and that was the only one I ever saw with varnish. It was a core from a JY and have no idea of the history of it.

The only tranny fluid I have noticed any differance in the way it made a tranny shift is type F. I have a cheap and plentiful source of Honda atf z1 and have used it in a bunch of mopar trannys with every one of them still running fine. I have no idea what is in it but a honda dipstick says use dexron mercon or this.

Mopar has built a ton of puny trannys recently and the "softer shift" crap is what seems to be burning them up not the fluid. I worked at a dodge dealer quite a while and was shocked at the trans relibility problems, trannys going out before the first fluid change was even due. I remember the tranny guy replaceing a couple complete trannys right off the truck with virtually no miles on them he also replaced a ton of valve bodies under warranty, funny thing though, he replaced the entire trans for the same problems when it wasn't warranty.

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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: Plymouth-man]
      #3306156 - Sun Feb 18 2007 10:00 PM

But Chrysler has sent a memo that ATF+4 is to be used in place of +3.I don't think Mopar supplies +3 anymore.At least that's what the parts guys here tell me in my dealership. I also used the +3 in my rebuild for my Bee because the techs told me the ATF+4 will make shifts too smooth for a perf trans. ATF+3 worked fine.Oh well sold the car 2 years later and got a $ gear Challenger

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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: gregsrt]
      #3307058 - Mon Feb 19 2007 11:10 AM

I wanna know why so many refer to Dexron as "DexTron"? Where the heck are they getting that "T"?! Is that misspelling a GM thing?

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Re: DEXRON!!! [Re: Plymouth-man]
      #3307123 - Mon Feb 19 2007 11:34 AM

Yes.

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