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DusterDave
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Reged: Jul 10 2010
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MY JEEP BUILD THREAD
      #6792940 - Wed Aug 24 2011 11:14 AM

I just purchased a 1989 Jeep Wrangler S. It was a NY vehicle, so its got rust issues, but nothing a mig welder and a plasma cutter can't handle. I'm going to do a body off restoration, give it a 5" lift, 35" tires, beefier axles, and replace the 2.5 lter 5 speed with a mild 318 and automatic. That's the basic plan at this point. Jeeps and 4x4's are totally new to me, so I've got lots to learn.

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scannman70
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Loc: Pennsylvania
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6792946 - Wed Aug 24 2011 11:20 AM

Good luck, I am just finishing up my 94 Wrangler, I am from Pa. so the frame was a mess.

The rear frame sections like to rust out where the frame meets the bear brace.

Get your self a quadratrac catalog. They are a good source for jeep parts.


A guy I know here used a rodeo rear dana 44 axel with the factory disc brakes and a dana 44 from a 81 -93 full size wagoneer for the front.

Good luck keep us posted.


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Prince_Valiant
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Reged: Feb 10 2003
Loc: Milwaukee, WI
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6793066 - Wed Aug 24 2011 12:59 PM

Love my wrangler...even with the 2.5; nothing better than top off, doors off cruising on a hot summer day/night.

Like you, also looking at v8 swaps, but I'll probably go the well paved route of a mild SBC/ax-15 5 speed, stock axles, stock size tires. From what I understand, as long as tires are reasonably sized, the stock axles will probably live without too much trouble. There not too much hardcore off-roading where I am either...just the mild fire trail stuff.

But if I can get away with doing a small chrysler for not too much more, will certainly stick to the route too.

Please post pics as you go! Very curious to see how this turns out

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1979 Dodge Lil' Red Express - 360 rwhp, 1/4 mile times to be determined.
1968 Coronet: 318, 2.76, 15.2 @ 92mph! (SOLD)
1976 Valiant: 360, 3.90, 12.90 @ 106 (SOLD)
1989 Shelby CSX #500/500


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Cooter
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Reged: May 02 2003
Loc: Chicagoland
Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: Prince_Valiant]
      #6793242 - Wed Aug 24 2011 03:03 PM

LA MoPar can be done as cheap as a Chevy, even cheaper, depending on what you want out of it. A rusted out Grand Cherokee with the 5.2 can also make a good, cheap donor.

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rickstershemi
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Reged: Jul 31 2006
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: Cooter]
      #6793342 - Wed Aug 24 2011 04:40 PM

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LA MoPar can be done as cheap as a Chevy, even cheaper, depending on what you want out of it. A rusted out Grand Cherokee with the 5.2 can also make a good, cheap donor.




Have no idea what you guys are talking about.....



2001....1-Owner....ME....just turned 35K on the clock

Great to see you with a new project Dave

Rickster


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DusterDave
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: rickstershemi]
      #6793895 - Wed Aug 24 2011 10:17 PM

Hey Rick, what's up! Very nice Jeep you have there!
scanman70, I hear you on the rust issues. That's why I'm going to pull the body off and replace every badly rusted area with new metal, and POR-15 the less rusted areas. I'm even thinking of ways of applying POR-15 to the inside of the frame rails as well.
Here's a couple pics of my heap. She's beat and tired, but I'll bring her back better than ever!





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rickstershemi
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6794733 - Thu Aug 25 2011 02:07 PM

Doesn't look all that bad Dave I can see it black with some nice shiny alum or chrome body accents

Rickster


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JohnRR



Reged: Jan 20 2003
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: rickstershemi]
      #6794768 - Thu Aug 25 2011 02:35 PM

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Doesn't look all that bad Dave I can see it black with some nice shiny alum or chrome body accents

Rickster




and a big blower sticking out of the hood ....


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DusterDave
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: JohnRR]
      #6795079 - Thu Aug 25 2011 05:45 PM

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Doesn't look all that bad Dave I can see it black with some nice shiny alum or chrome body accents

Rickster




and a big blower sticking out of the hood ....



I think that's what Rick was talking about...
At the moment, I'm envisioning painting it a copper color, with tan interior. But that could change. Whatever I end up with, its got to be a different color combo than what you normally see on Jeeps, yet still be tasteful.
Another goal is to make it the most rust free original body and frame YJ in Florida. I'm determined to eradicate the rust on it.

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rickstershemi
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6795148 - Thu Aug 25 2011 06:42 PM

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Doesn't look all that bad Dave I can see it black with some nice shiny alum or chrome body accents

Rickster




and a big blower sticking out of the hood ....



I think that's what Rick was talking about...
At the moment, I'm envisioning painting it a copper color, with tan interior. But that could change. Whatever I end up with, its got to be a different color combo than what you normally see on Jeeps, yet still be tasteful.
Another goal is to make it the most rust free original body and frame YJ in Florida. I'm determined to eradicate the rust on it.




Copper would look awesome with a tan/creme interior

Rickster


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mopar346
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: rickstershemi]
      #6795263 - Thu Aug 25 2011 07:41 PM Attachment (106 downloads)


Another goal is to make it the most rust free original body and frame YJ in Florida. I'm determined to eradicate the rust on it.




Copper would look awesome with a tan/creme interior

Rickster




Glad you said YJ in Florida, mine (son's) is a CJ. We looked at probably 20 Jeeps through Fl/Ga/Al before we bought this one out of Anniston, Al. It is absolutely rust free, a little surface but nothing that will leave pitting. It is already a 360, was originally a 258 but it is a very clean looking swap done apparently many year ago. The only way you know it wasn't born there is the VIN. It is a T4 which I'm not thrilled with right now with an AMC 20 out back and a Dana 30 up front.

Anyway, have fun with your and let me what part of Florida you are in, we may be close.

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DusterDave
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: mopar346]
      #6798689 - Sat Aug 27 2011 10:37 PM

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Glad you said YJ in Florida, mine (son's) is a CJ. We looked at probably 20 Jeeps through Fl/Ga/Al before we bought this one out of Anniston, Al. It is absolutely rust free, a little surface but nothing that will leave pitting. It is already a 360, was originally a 258 but it is a very clean looking swap done apparently many year ago. The only way you know it wasn't born there is the VIN. It is a T4 which I'm not thrilled with right now with an AMC 20 out back and a Dana 30 up front.

Anyway, have fun with your and let me what part of Florida you are in, we may be close.



I'm in Tampa. Where are you?
I'm trying to decide which automatic trans to use when I swap in the 318. My Jeep has the NP231 transfer case, supposedly with a 21 spline input.

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Cooter
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6799002 - Sun Aug 28 2011 07:33 AM

Run a TF998/999. (904 series)

The inputs on the 231 are easy enough to swap, and 231s are very easy to find.


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DusterDave
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: Cooter]
      #6799711 - Sun Aug 28 2011 05:33 PM

Quote:

Run a TF998/999. (904 series)

The inputs on the 231 are easy enough to swap, and 231s are very easy to find.



OK, but do they have to be from a 4x4 truck?
What about using a smallblock 727 from 4x4 Dodge? I thought it was a good idea to use one of those, since they are much shorter than a standard passenger car automatic.

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dusturbd340W5
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Reged: Jan 19 2003
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6799750 - Sun Aug 28 2011 06:02 PM

with a 318 in that light of a vehicle I would go 904/999 all the way

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70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake

best so far 1.352 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4


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DusterDave
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: dusturbd340W5]
      #6799808 - Sun Aug 28 2011 07:04 PM

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with a 318 in that light of a vehicle I would go 904/999 all the way



I agree, but my only concern is the length of the transmission, and the ability to mate up to the NP231 t-case. I don't want the engine to have to be pushed to far forward in the engine compartment because of a long transmission. That's why I was thinking a 727 from a 4x4 dodge pickup would be the ticket. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about it. This is my first 4x4 project, and I have a steep learning curve ahead of me. When I pull the tub off, I'll be able to start taking measurements.
Anyone know the overall length of a 904 or 999 case?
What vehicles did the 999 trans come in?

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dusturbd340W5
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Reged: Jan 19 2003
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6799833 - Sun Aug 28 2011 07:21 PM

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with a 318 in that light of a vehicle I would go 904/999 all the way



I agree, but my only concern is the length of the transmission, and the ability to mate up to the NP231 t-case. I don't want the engine to have to be pushed to far forward in the engine compartment because of a long transmission. That's why I was thinking a 727 from a 4x4 dodge pickup would be the ticket. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about it. This is my first 4x4 project, and I have a steep learning curve ahead of me. When I pull the tub off, I'll be able to start taking measurements.
Anyone know the overall length of a 904 or 999 case?
What vehicles did the 999 trans come in?




just build it with a 4x4 output shaft and tail housing and it will be shorter than a 4x4 727.

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70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake

best so far 1.352 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4


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DusterDave
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: dusturbd340W5]
      #6799843 - Sun Aug 28 2011 07:25 PM

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with a 318 in that light of a vehicle I would go 904/999 all the way



I agree, but my only concern is the length of the transmission, and the ability to mate up to the NP231 t-case. I don't want the engine to have to be pushed to far forward in the engine compartment because of a long transmission. That's why I was thinking a 727 from a 4x4 dodge pickup would be the ticket. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about it. This is my first 4x4 project, and I have a steep learning curve ahead of me. When I pull the tub off, I'll be able to start taking measurements.
Anyone know the overall length of a 904 or 999 case?
What vehicles did the 999 trans come in?




just build it with a 4x4 output shaft and tail housing and it will be shorter than a 4x4 727.


Thanks. Do you know who sells those kinds of parts?

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Follow my Jeep build: http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Warlock&Number=6792940&page=0&fpart=1


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dusturbd340W5
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Reged: Jan 19 2003
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6799874 - Sun Aug 28 2011 07:45 PM

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with a 318 in that light of a vehicle I would go 904/999 all the way



I agree, but my only concern is the length of the transmission, and the ability to mate up to the NP231 t-case. I don't want the engine to have to be pushed to far forward in the engine compartment because of a long transmission. That's why I was thinking a 727 from a 4x4 dodge pickup would be the ticket. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about it. This is my first 4x4 project, and I have a steep learning curve ahead of me. When I pull the tub off, I'll be able to start taking measurements.
Anyone know the overall length of a 904 or 999 case?
What vehicles did the 999 trans come in?




just build it with a 4x4 output shaft and tail housing and it will be shorter than a 4x4 727.


Thanks. Do you know who sells those kinds of parts?




should be able to get them used from any of the Trans parts suppliers Dacco,Transtar,WIT,maybe even John at CRT.

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70 duster full chassis super pro 416 CNC Indybrock heads 727 w/brake

best so far 1.352 60 6.219 in 1/8 at 110.88 9.768 at 137.81 1/4


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Cooter
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: dusturbd340W5]
      #6800904 - Mon Aug 29 2011 03:07 PM

When I had the 999 built for my Scrambler, I used the internal parts and output shaft and tail housing from my Jeep 998, and the Case and front section from a small block 904 series trans. The resulting transmission was much shorter than a 4wd truck based 727. I then mounted my trans and transfer case in the stock location, with several inches of clearance between my fan and the radiator, which needed a longer, semi custom shroud to span the gap.

Your setup with a YJ will be similar, as the 904 based trans is the automatic used in them. You will need a radiator with different inlet and outlet; one for a SBC conversion works well.


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DusterDave
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: Cooter]
      #6801864 - Tue Aug 30 2011 05:37 AM

Quote:

When I had the 999 built for my Scrambler, I used the internal parts and output shaft and tail housing from my Jeep 998, and the Case and front section from a small block 904 series trans. The resulting transmission was much shorter than a 4wd truck based 727. I then mounted my trans and transfer case in the stock location, with several inches of clearance between my fan and the radiator, which needed a longer, semi custom shroud to span the gap.

Your setup with a YJ will be similar, as the 904 based trans is the automatic used in them. You will need a radiator with different inlet and outlet; one for a SBC conversion works well.



That sounds like a plan. What transfer case did you use? I have the NP231.

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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6802096 - Tue Aug 30 2011 09:29 AM Attachment (113 downloads)

Good for you Dave... I had to give up all my Mopar dreams also... Now I play with this:

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Cooter
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Reged: May 02 2003
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6802554 - Tue Aug 30 2011 03:45 PM

Quote:

Quote:

When I had the 999 built for my Scrambler, I used the internal parts and output shaft and tail housing from my Jeep 998, and the Case and front section from a small block 904 series trans. The resulting transmission was much shorter than a 4wd truck based 727. I then mounted my trans and transfer case in the stock location, with several inches of clearance between my fan and the radiator, which needed a longer, semi custom shroud to span the gap.

Your setup with a YJ will be similar, as the 904 based trans is the automatic used in them. You will need a radiator with different inlet and outlet; one for a SBC conversion works well.



That sounds like a plan. What transfer case did you use? I have the NP231.




Mine was the D300, but that has a passenger side front output. You have a driver's side drop on your YJ, but your 231 is a pretty good t-case, and can be beefed pretty easily. Just make sure the chain is in good shape, and I would upgrade to a HD slip yoke eliminator if you are planning on offroading it.


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DusterDave
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: Cooter]
      #6803127 - Tue Aug 30 2011 10:15 PM

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When I had the 999 built for my Scrambler, I used the internal parts and output shaft and tail housing from my Jeep 998, and the Case and front section from a small block 904 series trans. The resulting transmission was much shorter than a 4wd truck based 727. I then mounted my trans and transfer case in the stock location, with several inches of clearance between my fan and the radiator, which needed a longer, semi custom shroud to span the gap.

Your setup with a YJ will be similar, as the 904 based trans is the automatic used in them. You will need a radiator with different inlet and outlet; one for a SBC conversion works well.



That sounds like a plan. What transfer case did you use? I have the NP231.




Mine was the D300, but that has a passenger side front output. You have a driver's side drop on your YJ, but your 231 is a pretty good t-case, and can be beefed pretty easily. Just make sure the chain is in good shape, and I would upgrade to a HD slip yoke eliminator if you are planning on offroading it.



Thanks for the info, Cooter! I'm totally green to this 4x4 stuff, and I'm trying to get up to speed the best I can. Let me ask you this, can I use the guts and tail housing from a Jeep 999 trans and stuff it in a 904 case? *edit* I think you already answered that in one of your previous posts.
From what I've read, the Dana 300 is a stout piece!! Cast iron housing, gears instead of chain driven. Sounds like my kind of transfer case! But, like you mentioned, I can beef up my 231, and it will be fine for what I'll use it for.

Hey Bubba! Yeah, a couple years have past since selling my Duster, and I thought I was done wrenching on projects, but then this happened: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

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Follow my Jeep build: http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Warlock&Number=6792940&page=0&fpart=1


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rickstershemi
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6804090 - Wed Aug 31 2011 06:19 PM

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When I had the 999 built for my Scrambler, I used the internal parts and output shaft and tail housing from my Jeep 998, and the Case and front section from a small block 904 series trans. The resulting transmission was much shorter than a 4wd truck based 727. I then mounted my trans and transfer case in the stock location, with several inches of clearance between my fan and the radiator, which needed a longer, semi custom shroud to span the gap.

Your setup with a YJ will be similar, as the 904 based trans is the automatic used in them. You will need a radiator with different inlet and outlet; one for a SBC conversion works well.



That sounds like a plan. What transfer case did you use? I have the NP231.




Mine was the D300, but that has a passenger side front output. You have a driver's side drop on your YJ, but your 231 is a pretty good t-case, and can be beefed pretty easily. Just make sure the chain is in good shape, and I would upgrade to a HD slip yoke eliminator if you are planning on offroading it.



Thanks for the info, Cooter! I'm totally green to this 4x4 stuff, and I'm trying to get up to speed the best I can. Let me ask you this, can I use the guts and tail housing from a Jeep 999 trans and stuff it in a 904 case? *edit* I think you already answered that in one of your previous posts.
From what I've read, the Dana 300 is a stout piece!! Cast iron housing, gears instead of chain driven. Sounds like my kind of transfer case! But, like you mentioned, I can beef up my 231, and it will be fine for what I'll use it for.

Hey Bubba! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU


Yeah, a couple years have past since selling my Duster, and I thought I was done wrenching on projects, but then this happened:

I new it was only a matter of time before you got something new going...It's a curse

If you really needed something to keep you busy I could have just towed the Valiant up there for the body-work & paint

Rickster


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DusterDave
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: rickstershemi]
      #6808247 - Fri Sep 02 2011 08:58 PM

The Jeep is now in the teardown phase. Thanks to PB Blaster, I'm making some progress. That reminds me, I need to buy another can. Once I get the tub off, I'm going drop off the frame at a local shop and have it completely sandblasted. When it comes back, I'll then begin work on the areas of the frame that need metal replacement. As for the tub, other than the driver's side floor and the corners where the roll bar mounted to, it is in pretty solid condition.

I've located the basic parts for the new driveline. I found a 727 out of a '86 Ramcharger 4x4. I also found front and rear Dana 44 axles out of a 1986 Jeep Wagoneer.
Folks, it's gotta get ugly before it gets beautiful...



Edited by DusterDave (Sat Sep 03 2011 01:26 PM)


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85_Ram_4speed
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6808574 - Sat Sep 03 2011 06:48 AM

I am not normally a Jeep guy, but something about you building a jeep makes me interested. I can't wait to see the results, and loved watching the build of the Duster over the years.

I don't know the reasons why you sold the Duster (doesn't really matter to me), But if it was to step away from the hobby a bit for a mental health check and/or family, I totally understand--been there done that. But you must feel good to have some tools in hand and building something again I would imagine.

Good luck and i'll be watching

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rickstershemi
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6808649 - Sat Sep 03 2011 08:02 AM

Some smooth polished stainless panels at the rockers and rear tub corners always looks sweet

Rickster


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Cooter
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: rickstershemi]
      #6808653 - Sat Sep 03 2011 08:05 AM

If you are going with a passenger side drop and a 727, you are going to need quite a bit of lift to clear the trans pan. 904 doesn't have the bump out at the dipstick tube.

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DusterDave
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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: Cooter]
      #6809052 - Sat Sep 03 2011 01:13 PM

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If you are going with a passenger side drop and a 727, you are going to need quite a bit of lift to clear the trans pan. 904 doesn't have the bump out at the dipstick tube.



Thanks, Cooter. I appreciate the advice! I had a late-breaking change of plans, which is good, considering the advice you just gave! I found front/rear Dana 44 axles out of an '86 Grand Wagoneer, which has the driver side drop. I edited my last post to reflect this new info.


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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: 85_Ram_4speed]
      #6809064 - Sat Sep 03 2011 01:21 PM

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I am not normally a Jeep guy, but something about you building a jeep makes me interested. I can't wait to see the results, and loved watching the build of the Duster over the years.

I don't know the reasons why you sold the Duster (doesn't really matter to me), But if it was to step away from the hobby a bit for a mental health check and/or family, I totally understand--been there done that. But you must feel good to have some tools in hand and building something again I would imagine.

Good luck and i'll be watching



Thanks! Should be interesting for me too, since this is my first 4x4 vehicle. Nothing like diving head first into the great unknown!!
Basically, I was burned out and lost interest in the Duster. I was also at the point where I didn't want to sink another nickel into it. I was totally done, and I had to walk away for a while. Yes, wrenching on a new project (one that won't cost me an arm and two legs to build) has put the spark back in me.
I'm going to make this Jeep very nice, I just hope I can restrain myself enough and not make it so nice that I won't want to drive it off-road, for fear of getting a scratch in the clearcoat.


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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6811101 - Sun Sep 04 2011 08:57 PM

The Waggy axles are a real good fit for a YJ! Be aware that some years run a AMC20 rear, and also a disconnect front D44. Neither are exactly deal killers, but price should reflect those issues, as they aren't as desirable. The front is a little weaker/problematic, and the rear is a little harder to get parts for and has less ground clearance.

This is shaping up to be a great project!


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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: Cooter]
      #6812524 - Mon Sep 05 2011 07:55 PM

Cooter, thanks for your input! I need that kind of sage advice from the experienced wheelers! See the pic below, the rear axle I bought is indeed a Dana 44, and the front is not the CAD type. I did my homework, bro!

OK, here's what I dragged home today. I pulled a set of front and rear Dana 44 axles out of an '86 Grand Wagoneer that was on its way to meet its fate with a crusher. I thought it was a good deal at $250 for the pair. Externally, they appear to be in excellent condition, and complete.
I also pulled a TF727 out of an '85 Dodge Ramcharger that was rotting away in a salvage yard. As previously mentioned, I'm going to put a very mild 318 in my Jeep. The axles and trans will of course get completely rebuilt.




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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6827675 - Thu Sep 15 2011 11:49 AM

Well done!

I figured you knew full well what a D44 looked like, but I wanted to put the info in this thread, as many people selling Jeep parts (and building Jeeps, for that matter) don't.


Don't even get me started on the people selling "Front and Rear D44s" from Ramchargers...


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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: Cooter]
      #6827923 - Thu Sep 15 2011 03:29 PM

Nice build you've got going there! I've got an 88 YJ with the 4.2 and 5sp, 32" tires and a 2.25" lift. I've done a decent amount of 4x4ing with it at some of the local gravel pits and it's done well. I plan to soon replace the engine and trans, the old 4.2 having tons of blowby and the peugot trans in it has worn out synchros. Been thinking of swapping in a late 80's or early 90's efi ford 5.0 and an ax-15. My first thought was to do a magnum injected 318, but the 5.0 is narrower, distributor in the front, lighter and can be found in an old boat grandpa car at the local u-pull junkyard.

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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DaytonaTurbo]
      #6828175 - Thu Sep 15 2011 07:11 PM

Sorry for the delay, looks like you are moving along well. I'm up around Tallahassee, but get down to Tampa regularly. Here is a great engine/trans swap info site.

http://www.novak-adapt.com/catalog/kit_433.htm

They don't seem to be into Mopars much. My concern with the 727 would be length/angle of the rear shaft.

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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: mopar346]
      #6828477 - Thu Sep 15 2011 10:21 PM

I helped pull the 44's out of this, an '86 Grand Wagoneer. The old girl looked a bit tired and long in the tooth.


I picked up a low miles 318, along with an air gap intake, Crane roller rockers, MP cast finned valve covers, and a new in the box Melling HV oil pump, all for $200. My friend offered to give me this stuff for free, but I didn't feel right about that. The intake, valve covers and rockers are for late model magnum heads, so that's what I'll use. I've got a line on a new unused set of magnum heads, I'm just waiting for the seller to email me back with shipping cost.
Here is the 318 block taking a nice, long soak in degreaser. It was really, really grimy, inside and out.

This is going to be an ultra low buck build. There will be no machine work on the block. We're going to run a flex hone through the bores to restore the cross hatching, buy a set of KB hypereutectic pistons and moly rings, new bearings, new Comp 270 hydraulic cam, lifters, pushrods, polish the journals, have the rotating assembly balanced, and slap it together. I will spend the money on a new Holley 600 and MSD distributor, though.


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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: mopar346]
      #6828499 - Thu Sep 15 2011 10:26 PM

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My concern with the 727 would be length/angle of the rear shaft.




Why is that? I'm going to keep the transfer case in the stock location. I am also considering using new leaf springs for a Wagoneer, which will stretch my wheelbase 2" per axle. This 727 is 26-1/2" long, so it may push the 318 forward a couple inches further than the current engine's location, but I think I'll be OK.


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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: DusterDave]
      #6829011 - Fri Sep 16 2011 11:46 AM

Just not a lot wheelbase to work with to start with, but moving the engine forward as long as it doesn't effect balance and clearance will keep the output in the stock local combined with moving the rear axle rearward will allow for more angle. Depending on the lift and of course your planning it ahead, it may not be a concern. I have a 4 inch lift with the outputs are in the stock location and it's not bad, but when I take the axles under the springs with a bigger pumpkin, I will have to pay attention to mine.

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Re: I'm back with a new Mopar project! [Re: mopar346]
      #6829141 - Fri Sep 16 2011 01:44 PM

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Just not a lot wheelbase to work with to start with, but moving the engine forward as long as it doesn't effect balance and clearance will keep the output in the stock local combined with moving the rear axle rearward will allow for more angle. Depending on the lift and of course your planning it ahead, it may not be a concern. I have a 4 inch lift with the outputs are in the stock location and it's not bad, but when I take the axles under the springs with a bigger pumpkin, I will have to pay attention to mine.



I appreciate your advice. I'm seriously considering doing a SOA (spring over axle) plus the Wagoneer leaf springs.


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