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Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? #3311100
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Old Mahle pistons are +.030 overbore and came in at 515 grams. After an unscheduled disassembly, I had to go with +.055 pistons that are exactly the same save for they weigh 525 grams. Is this enough of a difference to worry about?


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

Re: Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? [Re: GY3] #3311104
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That (10 grams) is almost 1/4 of ounce, correct work scope Then times 8 on the wrist pins, correct work confused shruggy I wish I had an answer but I don't, sorry blush
How confident are you that you can do some careful weight removeable to the new ones to match the old ones? work wrench upgrin

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Re: Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? [Re: Cab_Burge] #3311155
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I bought the hemi build book from Richard Nedbal. He was and engineer from Ford for years. He’s pretty smart. He made a comment in his book about balance. I’ll try and remember the quote but I left the book at a friends house. “ 5 grams out of balance on a 4.500” bore is equal to 100 lbs at 7000 rpm”. That seems like a lot of weight slinging around that should make some difference. I know that I’m working on a hemi build right now of a motor that has been put together by someone who knew very little about precision engine building. They used a max wedge crank with the factory balance, hemi rods and heavy TRW 12.5 pistons. The owner told me he mixed AVS gas and premium when he put gas in the car. He did not put many miles on the car on the 25 years this motor was together. Probably between detonation and the out of balnce, it beat on the mains caps. Three and four caps are loose in the block to the point you can wiggle them.

Re: Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? [Re: Cab_Burge] #3311161
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
That (10 grams) is almost 1/4 of ounce, correct work scope Then times 8 on the wrist pins, correct work confused shruggy I wish I had an answer but I don't, sorry blush
How confident are you that you can do some careful weight removeable to the new ones to match the old ones? work wrench upgrin


I thought about removing a little but realized that the originals lost weight off the coating of the skirts and some carbon off the tops (I cleaned after removing).


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

Re: Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? [Re: GY3] #3311166
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FWIW (and I just read this for the first time myself) - https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-t...1-battling-primary-rotational-imbalance/


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weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

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Re: Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? [Re: GY3] #3311176
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Originally Posted by GY3
Old Mahle pistons are +.030 overbore and came in at 515 grams. After an unscheduled disassembly, I had to go with +.055 pistons that are exactly the same save for they weigh 525 grams. Is this enough of a difference to worry about?


Have the new pistons lightened on the bottom


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Originally Posted by n20mstr
Originally Posted by GY3
Old Mahle pistons are +.030 overbore and came in at 515 grams. After an unscheduled disassembly, I had to go with +.055 pistons that are exactly the same save for they weigh 525 grams. Is this enough of a difference to worry about?


Have the new pistons lightened on the bottom


That is the direction I was headed.


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.

Re: Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? [Re: GY3] #3311197
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10 gr on the recip isn't a big issue, my 2c

Re: Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? [Re: GY3] #3311200
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I took a paint scale and took weight off my new pistons to match the old ones. I have even welded on some new one to add a little weight to a set I had the was too light one time. I've used that old paint scale for a lot of things through the years.


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Re: Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? [Re: B1MAXX] #3311235
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10 grams of piston weight wouldn’t concern me a bit…….as long as they’re all about the same.
One piston 10g off, I’d try and even that up a bit.

10g is .353oz.


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Re: Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? [Re: fast68plymouth] #3311298
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10 g on the piston is nothing to worry about

Re: Rebalance over 10 grams of piston weight? [Re: skrews] #3311537
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Thanks, guys, I appreciate the feedback!


'63 Dodge 330

11.19 @ 121 mph
Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs.

9.92 @ 135mph with a 350 shot of nitrous and 93 octane pump. 1.43 60 ft. 3,750 lbs.







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