UPDATED BORGESON FAST RATIO STEERING BOX

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I haven't weighed it but its all the same as their earlier box, straight 14:1, approx. 15lbs lighter.

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Did they fix the angle issue Hotchkis noticed?

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Did they fix the angle issue Hotchkis noticed?

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So the shimming issue wasn't addressed and what was the problem with the small sector again? Not enough thread engagement?

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Borgeson is not taking back the old boxes. I do not manufacture these boxes, they do.

For someone who has not bought this box or tried it, Tom - you have a lot to say. I wish you'd call me directly with your concerns.

I agree the angularity of the box has been established, but only in certain cases. However, even in the cases where the shafts weren't straight like the originals, NONE of the customers complained that has affected their steering. Remember 2 things, the coupler can take up some angle without a problem and look at new cars or rack applications with crazy angles.

This is the toughest board in the Mopar biz, and it has undoubtedly scared vendors away from posting here on numerous occasions. Most of the haters here have not bought the product or been concerned enough to call me directly.

I've been a contributor to this board for 10+ years a vendor and an advertiser. If you have legitimate concerns ask in a manner like you would face to face rather than throwing stones from behind your keyboard.

My number is 631 423 1517 if you want to speak intelligently to me.

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Wow.

hater for point out defects in design and manufacturing?.

Last resort there.

Borgeson put out an overpriced half @ssed designed and built box, I will point out that you stepped up to address some of the issues with installing one, which if Borgeson was on the ball they would have already done and not had to rely on their customers to be beta testers and their resellers to be the R&D department.

To refresh your memory

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1

Of course in that thread it's the haters that are the problem once again, I notice your mouth conspicuously snapped shut once the OP posted exactly the contortions he had to go thru with both you and Borgeson before he could get something done, which was to buy another box, send in the defective one and hope the Borgeson would agree it was defective and refund his purchase price.


Lesson learned here? Do not buy Borgeson stuff and do not patronize Bergman AutoKrap. Might not fix the problem but I'll be one less aggravation to deal with.

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Summit, Jegs, and tons of other sell this box. Bash them too.

But everyone is piling on Bergman because he is someone that will publicly interact with people.

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TTI re-jigged their headers after enough complaints and the original is a go now. I now wish TTI would make an 1 7/8" primary version.

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You are referring to Gen III fitment, not 440, correct?

-Michael

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Borgeson is not taking back the old boxes. I do not manufacture these boxes, they do.

For someone who has not bought this box or tried it, Tom - you have a lot to say. I wish you'd call me directly with your concerns.

I agree the angularity of the box has been established, but only in certain cases. However, even in the cases where the shafts weren't straight like the originals, NONE of the customers complained that has affected their steering. Remember 2 things, the coupler can take up some angle without a problem and look at new cars or rack applications with crazy angles.

This is the toughest board in the Mopar biz, and it has undoubtedly scared vendors away from posting here on numerous occasions. Most of the haters here have not bought the product or been concerned enough to call me directly.

I've been a contributor to this board for 10+ years a vendor and an advertiser. If you have legitimate concerns ask in a manner like you would face to face rather than throwing stones from behind your keyboard.

My number is 631 423 1517 if you want to speak intelligently to me.

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Wow.

hater for point out defects in design and manufacturing?.

Last resort there.

Borgeson put out an overpriced half @ssed designed and built box, I will point out that you stepped up to address some of the issues with installing one, which if Borgeson was on the ball they would have already done and not had to rely on their customers to be beta testers and their resellers to be the R&D department.

To refresh your memory

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rt=all&vc=1

Of course in that thread it's the haters that are the problem once again, I notice your mouth conspicuously snapped shut once the OP posted exactly the contortions he had to go thru with both you and Borgeson before he could get something done, which was to buy another box, send in the defective one and hope the Borgeson would agree it was defective and refund his purchase price.


Lesson learned here? Do not buy Borgeson stuff and do not patronize Bergman AutoKrap. Might not fix the problem but I'll be one less aggravation to deal with.

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In this tread I said that I had built a 1/8th inch thick shim to correctly position this box on our E Body. It should have read 1/4th inch thick shim. The posting is past the time when I can edit this URL directly.

On page 74 of the Mopar Chassis Modification Book it states:

CAUTION:

To prevent over stressing the steering gear housing
mounting bosses, do not use a shim pack of more
than .090" total thickness.

1/4 inch thick is hardly a "shim".

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Now you tell me.

Is the concern that with the thick shim on the 2 hole side likely to stress the 1 hole side mounting boss because it no longer sits flush to the K member?

I had thought about this when I shimmed the box and torquing to some 90 pounds(that's a lot of stress on the single hole ear)or so, but was frustrated and exhausted with all the time(and money) that I had invested, that I whistled past the graveyard and moved forward with the installation.

Would some type of tapered shim on the single bolt side address this concern. Not that I have any idea how to create such a beast. Likely a machine shop could do so.

Wonder what Borgeson would have to say on this. Wonder how sturdy their weld job is on these ears. Wonder if it fails and I should survive, if they would honor a warranty claim, likely be charged to user error. Makes sound sleeping at night a bit problematic.

I once had heard(on very good authority) that their test mule to prototype the 'jig' for an E Body was actually to use a "B" body "K" member. Has anyone else heard this and then of course, does it make any difference?

I can hear the chuckles from fellow forum members on a warranty claim being honored all the way out here to Calyfornua. .

Hotchkis: time for the big guns. You spent time dealing with this same issue and of course are heavily experienced in automotive engineering of components. What would be your opinion as to if this is something I should be concerned about?

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