Posted By: can.al
EBC brake pads - 10/02/14 03:09 AM
will these pads provide improved braking as claimed?
EBC brake pads
Posted By: MuuMuu101
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/02/14 07:40 AM
Compared to what? What are you running or planning on running? I've heard some good things about them but they have different color codes. I have no idea which is which.
Posted By: abodyjoe
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/02/14 01:08 PM
i agree.. compared to what..
i put the ebc reds on my mustang. it does stop a lot better than whatever was on it before. but damn the amount of brake dust on my white wheels is nuts.. and they said the red were low dust lol..
i put the ebc reds on my mustang. it does stop a lot better than whatever was on it before. but damn the amount of brake dust on my white wheels is nuts.. and they said the red were low dust lol..
Posted By: brads70
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/02/14 01:17 PM
I have the "Yellow stuff" with my Viper calipers. They work OK cold but much better hot. Dust is not too bad.
Posted By: can.al
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/02/14 02:19 PM
O.E. pads
Posted By: AlexP
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/02/14 03:32 PM
The question is kind of open ended.
What is your goal with the car?
What is your goal with the car?
Posted By: can.al
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/02/14 11:07 PM
wow,i think you guys are reading way more into this than is there.
This is just a restoration to be driven as i see fit any given day.
Just wondering if the claim to improve braking and easy on rotors is
true over an O.E. pad?
This is just a restoration to be driven as i see fit any given day.
Just wondering if the claim to improve braking and easy on rotors is
true over an O.E. pad?
Posted By: AlexP
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/02/14 11:11 PM
If you're driving it like a perfectly restored car, then any pad is fine.
EBC has several different grades of friction material to respond to the needs of different cars.
I wouldn't spend the money on an expensive pad if you're not going to have modern tires and suspension.
Put a good Raybestos or Wagner Semi-metallic pad on a restoration type car and be done.
EBC has several different grades of friction material to respond to the needs of different cars.
I wouldn't spend the money on an expensive pad if you're not going to have modern tires and suspension.
Put a good Raybestos or Wagner Semi-metallic pad on a restoration type car and be done.
Posted By: Tomswheels
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/02/14 11:57 PM
Quote:
If you're driving it like a perfectly restored car, then any pad is fine.
EBC has several different grades of friction material to respond to the needs of different cars.
I wouldn't spend the money on an expensive pad if you're not going to have modern tires and suspension.
Put a good Raybestos or Wagner Semi-metallic pad on a restoration type car and be done.
I agree, a friend has a 69 Mustang and it broke much worse with EBC pads, they weren't getting enough heat in them on the street to work properly...
Posted By: can.al
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/03/14 12:30 AM
..so the next time i'm driving and a normal or pannick stop is required their claim to stop quicker and be easier on the rotors is not actually true?
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/03/14 12:47 AM
I would rather run Hawks. Although I do have EBC's on trucks and SUV's. The Yellow stuff are squeakers.
Posted By: Tomswheels
Re: EBC brake pads - 10/03/14 04:40 AM
Quote:
..so the next time i'm driving and a normal or pannick stop is required their claim to stop quicker and be easier on the rotors is not actually true?
I don't know which "color" of their pads are best for street use. My buddy switched to Hawk and the car stops much better...
Posted By: BigBlockMopar
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/05/15 07:20 PM
I just installed EBC yellow on my daily Dart today.
I had Hawk HPS on the car before but wasn't that impressed (anymore) with them.
Could be I need to step down one size in MC diameter from the current 1-1/32" to 15/16".
Braking is just fine, even at mild speeds but I just can't apply them enough to lock 'm in the front.
Hoping the Yellow's have a bit more bite before I start playing with MC's again.
I had Hawk HPS on the car before but wasn't that impressed (anymore) with them.
Could be I need to step down one size in MC diameter from the current 1-1/32" to 15/16".
Braking is just fine, even at mild speeds but I just can't apply them enough to lock 'm in the front.
Hoping the Yellow's have a bit more bite before I start playing with MC's again.
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/05/15 09:59 PM
Quote:
I just installed EBC yellow on my daily Dart today.
I had Hawk HPS on the car before but wasn't that impressed (anymore) with them.
Could be I need to step down one size in MC diameter from the current 1-1/32" to 15/16".
Braking is just fine, even at mild speeds but I just can't apply them enough to lock 'm in the front.
Hoping the Yellow's have a bit more bite before I start playing with MC's again.
Please report back your findings.
Posted By: BigBlockMopar
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/06/15 10:40 AM
FYI, I also installed new fresh discs in the process, keeping the orientation of the old HPS pads respective with the old discs.
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/06/15 10:49 AM
Quote:
FYI, I also installed new fresh discs in the process, keeping the orientation of the old HPS pads respective with the old discs.
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Do you notice any braking differences so far?
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/06/15 03:52 PM
I have ran the Yellows before and they work OK but were noisy.
Posted By: Mattax
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/07/15 01:46 PM
Originally Posted By can.al
..so the next time i'm driving and a normal or pannick stop is required their claim to stop quicker and be easier on the rotors is not actually true?
There's really no way to know.
First - Some of the old pads were really good, such as ones with Raybestos lining BSI 452 (rated FG). The edge lining markings, if the manufacturer provides them, will indicate if linings are in the same ballpark. But its only ballpark.
Second - its temperature dependent. A lining that grips well pulling an early SHO (known for undersize brakes) down hard from 75 mph may not grip well pulling your viper out of your driveway at 30 F.
Third - How well a lining works is also driver and system dependent. Some drivers like an instant response some like a more progressive one. A power brake system with a grippy lining in the front might feel uncomfortable for some drivers. For example I found Raybestos's "Professional Grade" pads semi-metalic for my wagoneer to be a little too grippy and I'm still getting used to them. Now if they had a similar lining for the rear drums, or I didn't have a power assist - I bet the balance would be better to my taste.
Posted By: astjp2
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/07/15 06:24 PM
I ran the yellow stuff on my wife's jeep, she complained about the squealing but they would put you through the windshield. I wound up putting in some basic ceramics after they wore out, now I have to stand on the pedal to get it to slow down. She like it better because they don't squeal. I may just put dual piston calipers to get it to brake better off of a Grand Cherokee.
Posted By: Mattax
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/07/15 07:00 PM
Originally Posted By astjp2
I ran the yellow stuff on my wife's jeep, she complained about the squealing but they would put you through the windshield. I wound up putting in some basic ceramics after they wore out, now I have to stand on the pedal to get it to slow down. She like it better because they don't squeal. I may just put dual piston calipers to get it to brake better off of a Grand Cherokee.
See if you can buy the pads with the same "Professional Grade" lining as the D52 pads on my GrandWagoneer. Lots of grab, friction rating FF, semi-metallic, no-squeal, reasonably priced.
Here's the details.
Mfc: Raybestos
Pad shape: D52
Edge Code: BPI-LC-FF
Mfc Desc: Professional Grade
Part Number: PGD52M
Type of Lining: Semi-Metalic
The G Wagoneer only has a single pot sliding caliper - nothing special. Yesterday I was carrying close to a full load (about 900 lbs) and it braked well, only got the linings hot enough to smell once. Of course I allowed for extra stopping distance and all the usual precautions with extra weight in the back.
Posted By: BigBlockMopar
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/08/15 12:48 AM
Originally Posted By autoxcuda
Do you notice any braking differences so far?
I'm still beading them in (doing it slowly for even wear on the rotors and progressively firmer/harder for street use mostly), but after the first couple of 'slight firmer' brake-attempts I thought I could feel some more brake force coming from the front wheels. But that could also be wishfull thinking on my part. (I just read on their site that must have been the break-in coating feeling extra grabby in the beginning).
I'll have some daily commutes to work and back this week on which I'll go easy on them, but will do some harder braking near the end of the week probably.
Posted By: Mattax
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/08/15 05:41 AM
Originally Posted By Tomswheels
I don't know which "color" of their pads are best for street use.
Red seems the most appropriate for street use with moderate wt RWD cars like ours. Green loses friction as it gets hot, might be disappointing on a long downhill or high speed stop - almost like a drum shoe overheating. Yellow probably better for track (or vehicle that will heat up the brakes quickly)
Description: taken from the web, probably from EBC, not of date.
Posted By: astjp2
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/09/15 06:09 PM
Originally Posted By Mattax
Originally Posted By astjp2
I ran the yellow stuff on my wife's jeep, she complained about the squealing but they would put you through the windshield. I wound up putting in some basic ceramics after they wore out, now I have to stand on the pedal to get it to slow down. She like it better because they don't squeal. I may just put dual piston calipers to get it to brake better off of a Grand Cherokee.
See if you can buy the pads with the same "Professional Grade" lining as the D52 pads on my GrandWagoneer. Lots of grab, friction rating FF, semi-metallic, no-squeal, reasonably priced.
Here's the details.
Mfc: Raybestos
Pad shape: D52
Edge Code: BPI-LC-FF
Mfc Desc: Professional Grade
Part Number: PGD52M
Type of Lining: Semi-Metalic
The G Wagoneer only has a single pot sliding caliper - nothing special. Yesterday I was carrying close to a full load (about 900 lbs) and it braked well, only got the linings hot enough to smell once. Of course I allowed for extra stopping distance and all the usual precautions with extra weight in the back.
Rock auto specs them out as D477 pads for a 98 wrangler. My YJ has a grand wagoner axle, I may have to check them out for it. Tim
Posted By: BigBlockMopar
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/26/15 06:48 PM
20 days have past since the installation of the Yellow Stuff pads and new discs.
These pads do dust a lot more than the Hawks HPS, but they grab more as well. If I would have to put a percentage number on it, I would say they are about 10-15% better.
No squeeling noticed, other than an occassional little squeek when applying the brakepedal.
If these pads have rebalanced the rear brakebias in my car I call myself happy.
I haven't done a full force emergency stop yet, but done a few 70-80% force stops which went nice and true.
The finish on the rotors is still nice. Perhaps because I've beaded them in the easy way.
These pads do dust a lot more than the Hawks HPS, but they grab more as well. If I would have to put a percentage number on it, I would say they are about 10-15% better.
No squeeling noticed, other than an occassional little squeek when applying the brakepedal.
If these pads have rebalanced the rear brakebias in my car I call myself happy.
I haven't done a full force emergency stop yet, but done a few 70-80% force stops which went nice and true.
The finish on the rotors is still nice. Perhaps because I've beaded them in the easy way.
Posted By: Tomswheels
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/26/15 07:04 PM
Originally Posted By BigBlockMopar
20 days have past since the installation of the Yellow Stuff pads and new discs.
These pads do dust a lot more than the Hawks HPS, but they grab more as well. If I would have to put a percentage number on it, I would say they are about 10-15% better.
No squeeling noticed, other than an occassional little squeek when applying the brakepedal.
If these pads have rebalanced the rear brakebias in my car I call myself happy.
I haven't done a full force emergency stop yet, but done a few 70-80% force stops which went nice and true.
The finish on the rotors is still nice. Perhaps because I've beaded them in the easy way.
These pads do dust a lot more than the Hawks HPS, but they grab more as well. If I would have to put a percentage number on it, I would say they are about 10-15% better.
No squeeling noticed, other than an occassional little squeek when applying the brakepedal.
If these pads have rebalanced the rear brakebias in my car I call myself happy.
I haven't done a full force emergency stop yet, but done a few 70-80% force stops which went nice and true.
The finish on the rotors is still nice. Perhaps because I've beaded them in the easy way.
Do they grab and stop nicely when cold?
Posted By: BigBlockMopar
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/26/15 09:12 PM
I haven't noticed a very big difference when cold but if there is some less grab, then it's gone after the 2nd or 3rd brake application from cold.
However, this is ofcourse based on simple daily driving.
Maybe the difference in hot/cold grab would become more obvious in racing situations where some more heat is put into the system.
But they're certainly not 'scary' when cold.
However, this is ofcourse based on simple daily driving.
Maybe the difference in hot/cold grab would become more obvious in racing situations where some more heat is put into the system.
But they're certainly not 'scary' when cold.
Posted By: ahy
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/27/15 02:02 AM
I have a set of the yellow stuff pads coming. Previously I used Performance Friction carbon mettalic with a Cobra based front system.
The carbon mettalic hung in pretty well warmed up but could use some more bite/friction. The yellow stuff should be better... we'll see.
The carbon mettalic hung in pretty well warmed up but could use some more bite/friction. The yellow stuff should be better... we'll see.
Posted By: brads70
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/27/15 07:47 PM
Originally Posted By Tomswheels
[quote=BigBlockMopar]
Do they grab and stop nicely when cold?
Do they grab and stop nicely when cold?
Mine don't.... not the best cold In my case? Much better when they get some heat in them.
Posted By: autoxcuda
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/27/15 08:19 PM
Originally Posted By brads70
Originally Posted By Tomswheels
[quote=BigBlockMopar]
Do they grab and stop nicely when cold?
Do they grab and stop nicely when cold?
Mine don't.... not the best cold In my case? Much better when they get some heat in them.
What are that like cold?
Do you have to be:
a) little
b)fairly
c)a lot
cautious when braking when cold?
What does it take to get them warm? How many stops? hard or regular stops?
Posted By: brads70
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/28/15 07:05 AM
Originally Posted By autoxcuda
Originally Posted By brads70
Originally Posted By Tomswheels
[quote=BigBlockMopar]
Do they grab and stop nicely when cold?
Do they grab and stop nicely when cold?
Mine don't.... not the best cold In my case? Much better when they get some heat in them.
What are that like cold?
Do you have to be:
a) little
b)fairly
c)a lot
cautious when braking when cold?
What does it take to get them warm? How many stops? hard or regular stops?
I would say "fairly" cautious. They won't lock the front wheels until they get hot. They don't get hot enough until 5-6 hard stops. Eg. at the autocross track at Carlisle they gripped much better after about running half the track? I don't think I'd get them again, I'd try something else. I bought Carbotech AX6 to try on my AMG/Brembo calipers. I have Viper Brembo's now
Posted By: gold66cuda
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/29/15 02:03 AM
Hi Steve
I have the yellow pads in my car, they don't stop the best when they are cold on the street so I'm a little cautious, I have dragged the brake a bit to get a bit of heat in them on the street. They work great on the track, one lap at the track and they work great. They do leave a lot of dust on the wheels but I think they all do.
I have the yellow pads in my car, they don't stop the best when they are cold on the street so I'm a little cautious, I have dragged the brake a bit to get a bit of heat in them on the street. They work great on the track, one lap at the track and they work great. They do leave a lot of dust on the wheels but I think they all do.
Posted By: 72Swinger
Re: EBC brake pads - 04/29/15 04:56 AM
Dust is a byproduct of good pads I have learned.