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Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi

Posted By: Stroker

Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/17/03 03:53 PM

This piece was written by Herb McC & is at least 10 years old-is it still good information? He was kind enough to answer oiling questions over the phone when I was rebuilding my small block stroker in the early '90s, and sent me oiling info on both small blocks and B/RB/Hemi engines. He's a pretty cool guy in my book.

OIL SYSTEMS B-RB-HEMI

McCandless Performance has many years of experience and has spent many hours on the Chrysler B-RB-Hemi motors. We have put together a list of suggested improvements for your oil system which can be made at little or no cost to you. It is very important that you follow these instructions exactly as they are described to you in the following report. Please be sure and call us if you have any questions at all on the procedures that are mentioned.

Remove all five main caps. With an 8-10” 9/32 drill bit drill the oil passages from the top of the main saddle to the lifter galley on the passenger side of the block to 9/32. Do not drill passages to the cam. Do not restrict the oil to the rockers. If you run a solid or roller lifter camshaft you should cut oil off to the lifters on the drivers side of the block. This can be done by following these instructions.

On the rear of the block, remove the pipe plug on the drivers side of the block next to the camshaft. You will need a 19/32 freeze plug. Install the 19/32 plug into the oil galley on the drivers side of the block. Drive the plug into the block about 1 1/4 inches or until you can see the passage coming across the back of the block that feeds the oil to the drivers side galley. Clean and install pipe plug. Oil is now cut off to the lifters on the drivers side of the block. The only way to cut oil off to the passenger side is by installing sleeves in each lifter.

In a street motor we highly recommend a Milodon #30930 pan and a street Hemi size pickup (1/2 inch pipe). The block must be re-drilled and tapped to 1/2” pipe. There is a standard size pickup available for this pan but why put a high volume oil pump on the motor and not increase the oil available to the pump? Once all passages are drilled, completely clean the block very thoroughly. We use a Milodon #34010 brush kit to clean all the oil passages and it works very well.

On a race motor the only system that we recommend is the Milodon dual line system. This has been the standard of the industry system on the motors for years. The dual line Milodon is very expensive but not near as costly as the price to replace a good race motor. Fix it right the first time.

We do not recommend using a stock pan that has been deepened. This type of pan runs out of oil under acceleration and deceleration. This can cause spun bearings and broken rods and also causes a costly repair bill.


Posted By: SSAAHemiFan

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/17/03 06:03 PM

Herb is a guy who is sorely missed. He spent over 45 minutes on the phone with me (I was just out of high school at the time) giving me FREE advice on proper component selection on a 440 I was building. He new I was young but never talked down to me . I always enjoyed all his clinics at the Nats. I know he still works behind the scenes for Indy and Edelbrock, but his tech talks were the best. Indy should learn some phone tips from him.
Posted By: quickd100

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/17/03 11:46 PM

I'll second that. Herb is a Class Act. Very nice to talk to and doesn't talk down to anyone. He called me when I had a problem and answered all my dumb questions and gave me some very helpful suggestions.
Posted By: Stroker

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/17/03 11:53 PM

So should I post the small block oiling tips, or does anyone care?
Posted By: tilt

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/17/03 11:59 PM

Sure, on the small block stuff!
Should the passenger side on the R/B roller cam also be plugged, or is it just the drivers side?
Jeff
Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/18/03 12:36 AM

Just the drivers side. The passenger side has to have the lifter bores bushed to block the oil off. There was at one time a oil galley tube from Direct Connection that could be installed after the galley was reamed, like the ones for the small bocks. Using this tube, only #4,#6 and #8 lifter bores could be blocked, blocking #2 would restrict flow. DC stopped selling it because people were not following instructions and blocking #2 bores and losing motors.

Cecil
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/18/03 03:15 AM

Thanks for posting that.
It is basically what I have been doing, gathered from several others like Chuck Senatore (Muscle Motors).
Posted By: tilt

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/18/03 03:20 AM

Is this a NO NO with a hyd. Roller? Or is this still an excellent mod for even a Hydraulic type roller set up?
Btw thanks also for an excellent tech tip !

JEFF
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/18/03 03:27 AM

For any hydraulic lifters, do not block the driver's side oil galley. How would the lifters "hydraulic" without pressure??? The others mods should be fine.
Posted By: origcharger

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/18/03 03:28 AM

You can't block the oil to the lifter galley and use hydraulic tappets, roller or flat.
Posted By: tilt

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/18/03 03:33 AM

Thanks Guys for the advice.
I love a good thread like this one ..Very Informative !!
JEFF
Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/18/03 05:18 AM

Another tip when drilling for 1/2" pick up. Before drilling, oval the hole with a die grinder, away from the thinnest side of the pick up boss. This will move the hole center line so after drilling and tapping, there will be almost as much meat around the tube as the 3/8" pick up had. This will also allow for a little more clearance grinding when using a stroker crank.

Cecil
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 11/18/03 03:44 PM

Quote:

Another tip when drilling for 1/2" pick up. Before drilling, oval the hole with a die grinder, away from the thinnest side of the pick up boss. This will move the hole center line so after drilling and tapping, there will be almost as much meat around the tube as the 3/8" pick up had. This will also allow for a little more clearance grinding when using a stroker crank.

Cecil




i've never tried it that way. i don't like drill bits and engine blocks very close to each other in my shop. i use a bridgeport to make the hole for the 1/2" pickup. an endmill will move the hole exactly where it needs to be. i also mill to the bottom of the poassage, radius the turn and open the other end to match the modifications that i make to the oil pump. among other things, LOL>.
Posted By: Quicksilver440

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/18/03 06:54 PM

Is blocking off the oil to the drivers side REQUIRED when switching to a solid roller in a BB? The comp lifters have an oiling groove built into them and are not solid bodied. What oiling mods are required when going to a solid roller (with oiling grooved lifters)?
Posted By: PlumCrazyCharger

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/19/03 01:05 AM

What advantage does stopping oil from going to the drivers side lifter galley??? Going through my motor now and noticed that mine is not blocked.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/19/03 03:41 AM

no, it's not required. if you do the other oiling mods to your block and blueprint the pump, oil volume and pressure won't be a problem.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/19/03 05:25 AM

I am a novice to engine biulding. What is the purpose of blocking off the oil to the driver side galley. My machinist was speaking of this today relating to small blocks. Does it apply there too? Also what's the purpose of the oil bypass pipe procedure in the lifter valley on a SB? Good thread.
Posted By: AndyF

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/19/03 06:37 PM

blocking off the oil to the driver's side is just a way to direct the oil pressure back to the main bearings rather than have it leak away around 8 lifters that don't need it.

For high perf street motors I usually block off the driver gallery but then drill a small hole (0.090) or so in the plug so that oil still flows, but at a reduced rate. I just haven't gotten comfortable with the idea of completely blocking off the lifter gallery on a street car.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/19/03 07:05 PM

Also what's the purpose of the oil bypass pipe procedure in the lifter valley on a SB? Good thread.



This is to supply oil to the front mains faster
coming from the main source from the rear(you dont have to wait for all of the other things to
get there oil before it goes to the mains in the
front)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/19/03 07:22 PM

In addition, blocking off the lifter galleys helps if you bend a push rod or a rocker adjuster backs off and a lifter jumps out, your oil pressure will not drop to zero.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/20/03 04:13 AM

Quote:

blocking off the oil to the driver's side is just a way to direct the oil pressure back to the main bearings rather than have it leak away around 8 lifters that don't need it.

For high perf street motors I usually block off the driver gallery but then drill a small hole (0.090) or so in the plug so that oil still flows, but at a reduced rate. I just haven't gotten comfortable with the idea of completely blocking off the lifter gallery on a street car.




do you have a good source for the plugs to do that, i have about 5 left and none to be found in south florida at all??? know of a place where i can order them?


Quote:

In addition, blocking off the lifter galleys helps if you bend a push rod or a rocker adjuster backs off and a lifter jumps out, your oil pressure will not drop to zero.




that's if your luck enough for it to happen on that side of the block, LOL.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/20/03 04:02 PM

okay, i guess nobody wants to share their source for the soft plugs. Hmmm.
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/20/03 04:46 PM

What size are you looking for?

Back in with winter 2001/2002 when I pluged the driver's side oil galley in my block, I think I used a 37/64" deep cupped plug since the 19/32" wasn't to be found. I am running the 0.090" hole in it, and it hadn't moved when I checked it last. That was in Oct 2003 when I had a valve job done. The block had 110 passes in 2002, and 159 more in 2003 by Oct. I pulled a lifter and stuck a probe back to touch the plug.

Measure the hole size in the block, the 37/64" or a 15mm if available might do the trick.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/20/03 05:12 PM

i was looking for the 19/32. i think i tried a 37/64 in the last block and it was too loose to stay put. i guess i could alway's just run a ream through the hole and step up in size just slightly. thanks for the info.
Andy made it sound like the 19/32 were plentiful. i was hoping he would share his source. that might make things easier for people.

i am also a believer in running the plug as an orifice, instead of completely blocking it off. it sends more pressure where it's needed during start-up and then fills the lifter gallery for some lubrication there too.
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/20/03 05:28 PM

Maybe my block had a new (or old) drill used at the factory and it cut a tight size. The other alternative is to drill and tap so the pipe plug can go back that far. But that requires drilling and tapping the outside plug one size bigger. A lot more work than just driving in the plug!

Or maybe the brand I get are oversize. I use a 1-3/4" on on trans speedo openings and the book says 1-49/64" is needed.
Posted By: DusterW2

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/20/03 09:29 PM

Expansion plugs link.

Look at www.motormite.com

Then click Dorman products.

Here are the exact plugs you need:

19/32" (0.59375") Dorman #555-009

And for the 727/904 Speedo plug 1-49/64"

Dorman #555-036

I got mine at Advance Auto Parts. Others should also carry them. John
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/21/03 04:25 AM

Thanks John!
I will check tomorrow and get a couple for the drawer.
Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/22/03 06:18 PM

My local Advance Auto didn't have the 19/32". The Autozone store didn't either and they both had the same assortment.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/22/03 10:45 PM

Hey Jim, I've got 9 of em. I can drop a couple in the mail if you'd like.
Max
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/23/03 02:18 AM

Quote:

Hey Jim, I've got 9 of em. I can drop a couple in the mail if you'd like.
Max




well, i guess i see where i rate...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/23/03 02:37 AM

I know Dram that was an oversight. but you already have some.But as you have 5, but if you'd like, I'll mail you one giving you six, then I'll give Jim 2, and I'll have six.
That's fair ain't it (except to Jim)
"Max"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/23/03 07:09 AM

Quote:

I know Dram that was an oversight. but you already have some.But as you have 5, but if you'd like, I'll mail you one giving you six, then I'll give Jim 2, and I'll have six.
That's fair ain't it (except to Jim)
"Max"


Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/23/03 06:45 PM

Max, thanks for the offer.

I called around and my local NAPA had them in stock.
Their line is "CEP" and part number 219-3054 for the 19/32" plug. I stopped over during my lunch break and bought a few ($0.29 each) for my drawer/future use.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/23/03 07:34 PM

You are more than welcome.
Max
Posted By: Anonymous

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Posted By: superbird

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/24/03 01:22 AM

found the 19/32 freeze plug today but where does
one find the 10" drill bit? is drilling this out
something a guy can do at home in his garage?
if i want can i just go with the freeze plug
trick? not real comfortable drilling on a angle.
just picture the drill bit biteing hard and
snaping off and me haveing a big problem i do
not need! some what of a novice. only have enough
money to build this motor one time thanks in
advance brent

Posted By: 440FISH

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/24/03 03:57 AM

anyone know of a good place for the 8-10” 9/32 drill bit?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/24/03 04:51 AM

why do you need a 9-10 inch drill bit???
Posted By: Anonymous

Post deleted by Defbob - 12/24/03 09:28 AM

Posted By: superbird

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/24/03 01:38 PM

Remove all five main caps. With an 8-10” 9/32 drill bit drill the oil passages from the top of the main saddle to the lifter galley on the passenger side of the block to 9/32

can you use i normal length drill bit?




Posted By: 440Jim

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/24/03 02:02 PM

I use a reamer, and it is around 6" long.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/24/03 04:18 PM

i use a reamer also. i would suggest you don't use a drill bit. bad things can happen.
Posted By: AtomicDog

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/25/03 02:10 AM

You can purchase the 9/32" long drill bit (and probably reamers too) thru the following:

http://www.mscindustrial.com/
Posted By: superbird

Re: Herb McCandless oiling tips for big block/Hemi - 12/25/03 03:29 AM

come monday i will have both. feel much better
about useing the reamer. thanks for the help
guys!!
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